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post #1 of 15 (permalink) Old 08-08-2012, 12:29 AM Thread Starter
 
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Frank Zappa solo theory?

Anyone have any ideas about how Frank solos? Here is what I have so far

1. Strange timing almost East Indian

2. A fair amount of open strings

3. A mix of pentatonic, mixoliydian, maybe Dorian/ natural minor scales

4. Some obvious blues runs mixed in

5. Ouch my head hurts


Somebody help me.......
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post #2 of 15 (permalink) Old 08-08-2012, 03:58 AM
 
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Re: Frank Zappa solo theory?

I wouldn't say his timing is strange, but he uses a lot of tuplets. Listen to some IA Eklundh's recent music, he is influenced by indian music and Zappa and uses a lot of "odd to western ears" scales. They are not called scales in India, but we interpret them as such. One easy one to start with is the pantuvarali. In C: 1 b2 3 #4 5 b6 7.

I think you will find there is often one synthetic scale used, and not so much a fix of different ones. And yes, I'm sure your head will hurt before you get through The Black Page.
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post #3 of 15 (permalink) Old 08-09-2012, 12:47 AM Thread Starter
 
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Thanks! Your right about the synthetic sales or poly scales. He says he uses mixoliydian and yeah he does on melodic parts such as watermelon in Easter hay. But for solos...arg! The poly scales and pentatonic. It's tough to rip off! Isn't in amazing how different his solos are compared to Vai's!?
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Frank had a prhasing that's all his own. IMO it's nearly impossible to duplicate. Dweezil is the closest I've heard and even he throws a tiny bit of his own personality in.
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Re: Frank Zappa solo theory?

Don't wanna feel too harsh here, but Frank said one day: "shut up and play yer guitar".

I think it sums up pretty well...
Why would you try to analyze his musical personnality. Try to develop yours instead, it's an endless path into your musical world that you will discover...
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Don't wanna feel too harsh here, but Frank said one day: "shut up and play yer guitar".

I think it sums up pretty well...
Why would you try to analyze his musical personnality. Try to develop yours instead, it's an endless path into your musical world that you will discover...
How about you take your own advise and go play yerself! What a [email protected]&king a$$hole!
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That's what I'm gonna do...

but I was polite...
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Go away
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post #9 of 15 (permalink) Old 08-10-2012, 04:16 AM Thread Starter
 
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Re: Frank Zappa solo theory?

Dweezil learns all the parts and solos note for note. I guess maybe there isn't a rule of thumb that I was hoping for.
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Re: Frank Zappa solo theory?

Read his autobiography (The Real Frank Zappa Book), if you haven't already. He doesn't go into many technical aspects of his playing, but he does talk about his perspective on solo's, his own and other peoples. Plus it is a great book, one of my favorites; full of all of Frank's witty charm and crazy intelligence.

P.s. I've been told I have a very frank like style when I try to (if I'm jamming over Black Napkins or something). And I've been told by people that they can hear some Frank in my playing when I'm not even trying to play like him. It wasn't necessarily something I did on purpose, I think it just came from loving his playing and listening to it a ton. And of course, I take it as a huge compliment!
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I love that book! Very funny!!!!
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Yes, Ive read it! Great book!
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This is a good one too.
http://www.amazon.com/Frank-Zappa-Ne.../dp/0312141246
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I'm so glad I never bothered to study other peoples approach to playing the guitar. Sure I learned their songs, and sure I learned licks and scales, but coming up with my own style and feeling as to when I play certain notes, is the best part of playing the guitar... Stop analyzing others and be yourself !!
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I'm so glad I never bothered to study other peoples approach to playing the guitar. Sure I learned their songs, and sure I learned licks and scales, but coming up with my own style and feeling as to when I play certain notes, is the best part of playing the guitar... Stop analyzing others and be yourself !!
Guess I'm not the only one struggling to figure out Frank's playing.
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