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post #1 of 39 (permalink) Old 09-11-2014, 08:06 PM Thread Starter
 
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Jemsite Guitar Challenge September '14: OFFICIAL THREAD!

Welcome everybody!
Big thanks to those who entered last time!


RULES
  • You may record yourself performing a specific track and submit it to Youtube. If it is an audio track you can post it to any leading music hosting sites, such as soundcloud.
  • Submissions will be accepted from now until the last day of September, 2014. Depending on participation, the deadline may be extended.
  • There will be a special thread that will ONLY have submissions. >Click here!<
  • There will be a poll thread created at the end of the submission period. Then it starts all over again!
  • EVERYBODY is encouraged to participate and upload a submission!! No matter what your skill level is. We can vote for a "winner", but even just putting yourself out there makes you a winner!!
  • Feedback on performances is permitted and encouraged. It's a good way for musicians to grow. Please keep it polite though. Nothing harsh, and no over-reactions.
  • This is a youtube video backing track. If you want to import the track into your DAW or other production software, you will need the audio from the video. You can convert the video easily to an Mp3 HERE. If you have any trouble downloading and converting to MP3, send me a PM with your email address and I can send it to you.



VISIT TRACK
>HERE<


Last month was a straight up rocker, this one is a funky/groovy track in C Minor. It is not very long, so feel free to extend it in your DAW if you want to. If you don't have the capability then send me a PM with your email address and I will try.


One more important note. Don't not upload something because of your recording quality!!! We want to hear you, not have a super-polished Hi-Def music video.



We look forward to hearing you!


(Can I get a Mod to "sticky" this??)

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Thank you so much for setting this one up, FireEagle!! I look forward to hearing what folks come up with!
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Thank you so much for setting this one up, FireEagle!! I look forward to hearing what folks come up with!
No problem... Glad to help out!

BTW - I loaded the track into Reaper last night and doubled it... so if anyone wants a longer version, send me a PM with your email address and I'll send it your way.
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This one might be more my speed. I can already hear a scratch of a melody to lead in/out with, the rest will be me 'wanking', I suppose. I don't know if I'll be brave enough to post anything I record though. (It'll be video, but not of me, if I do. )
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This one might be more my speed. I can already hear a scratch of a melody to lead in/out with, the rest will be me 'wanking', I suppose. I don't know if I'll be brave enough to post anything I record though. (It'll be video, but not of me, if I do. )
Excellent! The more the merrier! I have been jamming along with it and have a few ideas too. Cool track... and let me know if you want a longer version. I doubled it to just under 3 minutes.

Drew - I normally don't listen to any other submissions until I'm done wit mine, but I couldn't resist... Great job! Sounded fantastic!
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Thanks dude. I happened to have some free time yesterday, so I figured I'd better make the most of it! I'd only played over it a couple times (maybe 4?) before I hit record, and that was my 4th take, so it's pretty off the cuff...

Also, as I'd alluded in my post... In reaper, it's EXACTLY 85bpm. Set your project tempo to that, turn off snap to grid and manually slide the track around until the first downbeat of the song is exactly on the beat, then turn it back on and split the project in like 8 or 16 bar chunks where the groove seems to naturally loop, and copy and paste to insert them.
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Thanks dude. I happened to have some free time yesterday, so I figured I'd better make the most of it! I'd only played over it a couple times (maybe 4?) before I hit record, and that was my 4th take, so it's pretty off the cuff...

Also, as I'd alluded in my post... In reaper, it's EXACTLY 85bpm. Set your project tempo to that, turn off snap to grid and manually slide the track around until the first downbeat of the song is exactly on the beat, then turn it back on and split the project in like 8 or 16 bar chunks where the groove seems to naturally loop, and copy and paste to insert them.
Wow... you really know the fretboard. If I just improvise over something new I have to stay in a couple well known pentatonic positions... otherwise i have to really practice various ascending and descending patterns, identifying target notes to key on.

I'll have to try that in Reaper. I did it the old fashioned way, by right-click copying the material in the track, creating a new track, pasting the contents, then manually finding the right beat of the sequence. Then trimming the front/back where they join... and nudging the 2nd track until perfectly timed. Sounds like you know a much easier way... lol! I really like Reaper, but there is so much to learn!
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Drews phrasing better be immaculate

This is actualy a ton of fun. I love this track. I've embraced the "beginner jazz" aspect of my playing

Maybe because guthrie govan was the first jazz player I ever really indulged in, my bends sound very "guthrie signature". I'm not comparing myself to him of course, but he has that specific kind of bend and I guess I really like it...
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Drews phrasing better be immaculate
I'll ruin the surprise for you - it isn't.

Fire - Eh, I've been playing since I was 15, and got pretty serious within maybe two or three years. At 33, it's sort of ingrained. I'm still not nearly as good at improvising as I'd want to be, and one thing I've been working on in particular is sort of "loosening up" my paying to play much longer, flowing, fast runs across the entire fretboard. There's a few position changes that feel very natural to me, but a whole bunch that don't, so I'm trying to fix that. But I have a pretty good idea where I am, usually, even if my fingers can't pull something off.

If it helps, I tend to look at scales not as positions, but linked three note per string patterns. If you look at my playing, you'll see me doing a LOT with 6 note groupings, three notes per string on adjacent strings. Once you start to "see" how those fit within the scale patterns you already know, and more importantly how they connect to each other (so that you can do a position shift elsewhere and know which pattern you're in, or jump up a string and know how it connects to the 6-note block above it, where the top three notes of the prior are now the next three of the subsequent), you quickly become pretty position agnostic.
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If it helps, I tend to look at scales not as positions, but linked three note per string patterns. If you look at my playing, you'll see me doing a LOT with 6 note groupings, three notes per string on adjacent strings. Once you start to "see" how those fit within the scale patterns you already know, and more importantly how they connect to each other (so that you can do a position shift elsewhere and know which pattern you're in, or jump up a string and know how it connects to the 6-note block above it, where the top three notes of the prior are now the next three of the subsequent), you quickly become pretty position agnostic.
I envy that fretboard knowledge... lol! Up until last winter I just learned songs sporadically. When something would catch my ear I would look up the tab, etc... dabbled in guitar like that since I was a teenager. But being a music-based life form I always wanted to actually learn to be a "musician" someday. Last winter/spring I started learning scales, starting with basic pentatonic/blues scales, and eventually 3 note per string patterns. Slowly getting there... recognizing patterns and where root notes are located, but it's hard for me to do that on the fly. I'm still a very sloppy player and trying to play cleaner, get faster, learn the fretboard, all at the same time. Hard to see progress from day to day, but looking back over the last year I have learned a lot and improved significantly. A huge part of it is because of Jemsite, forcing myself to participate in the guitar challenges despite my lack of knowledge and skill, and advice and encouragement of people on this forum!

Many thanks for the pointers... now that I know the scale patterns pretty well it only makes sense to learn to connect them up and down the fretboard. Maybe that will help to avoid getting stuck in certain positions that I'm familiar with.
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Hey, I feel the same way, dude -it gives me a project to do as often as I can, and will sometimes force me a bit out of my comfort zone. That's always a good thing.

One thing that may help - whether or not sweep picking is something you want to get into is up to you (I recently spent a couple months taking lessons from a buddy of mine over Skype just to learn how to do it, not because it's a sound I particularly love but because it's something I feel like I should know how to do), sit down and learn a bunch of arpeggio patterns covering all six strings. Then, take a chord progression, something simple, and slowly play through it as arpeggios, tryinig to stay in the same position to the greatest extent possible. For example, if you played C-G-Am-F:

Code:
|---------------8-|-10-7---------------|
|-------------8---|------8-------------|
|-----------9-----|--------7-----------|
|--------10-------|----------9---------|
|------10---------|------------10------|
|-8-12------------|---------------10-7-|

|-----------------8-12-|-13-8------------------|
|--------------10------|------10---------------|
|------------9---------|---------10------------|
|---------10-----------|------------10---------|
|------12--------------|---------------12-8----|
|-8-12-----------------|--------------------8--|
Play that, slowly and stately, and think about how it fits into the A minor and C major scale patterns you already know. And then kind of internalize those shapes and know that they're chord tones you can target when soloing over those chord changes.
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Here's mine

http://youtu.be/nd5_Zoss0Ss
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Wow? No criticisms of my playing by a certain man with the name of the first letter "D"? Wow.
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Sorry man, I've been repainting my kitchen, and then on an alternate picking practice kick when I'm not.

You're not wrong, you DO sound a little out of your comfort zone here... But that's definitely a good thing. Two general observations - for the most part, you do a great job driving this rhythmically, taking a behind-the-beat groove and really pushing the beat in ways that totally work, and then whatever you're doing around :24 is ****ing badass. Dorian? Also, I suspect you hit a couple fewer wrong notes than me, so there's that.
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Hey, I feel the same way, dude -it gives me a project to do as often as I can, and will sometimes force me a bit out of my comfort zone. That's always a good thing.

One thing that may help - whether or not sweep picking is something you want to get into is up to you (I recently spent a couple months taking lessons from a buddy of mine over Skype just to learn how to do it, not because it's a sound I particularly love but because it's something I feel like I should know how to do), sit down and learn a bunch of arpeggio patterns covering all six strings. Then, take a chord progression, something simple, and slowly play through it as arpeggios, tryinig to stay in the same position to the greatest extent possible. For example, if you played C-G-Am-F:

Code:
|---------------8-|-10-7---------------|
|-------------8---|------8-------------|
|-----------9-----|--------7-----------|
|--------10-------|----------9---------|
|------10---------|------------10------|
|-8-12------------|---------------10-7-|

|-----------------8-12-|-13-8------------------|
|--------------10------|------10---------------|
|------------9---------|---------10------------|
|---------10-----------|------------10---------|
|------12--------------|---------------12-8----|
|-8-12-----------------|--------------------8--|
Play that, slowly and stately, and think about how it fits into the A minor and C major scale patterns you already know. And then kind of internalize those shapes and know that they're chord tones you can target when soloing over those chord changes.
You vastly overestimate my ability, Drew... lol! 13 - 8 stretch... Yikes! I can do it, but not very easily on the fly. About the only sweeps or arpeggios I ever attempt is on the g-b-e strings. I would like to be able to do it though, because there are times it sounds great leading into something... or maybe for a position change. The ones you posted are tough for me to play super slow. I'll have to practice them and compare the chords to scale positions.

Right now I'm in the groove of the funky Cm backing track and just laid a clean George Benson move in there... you'll definitely recognize it when you hear it! Had some time tonight so I just recorded a minute or so worth of ideas in Reaper and playing with some delay and eq. Trying to get the levels right while switching from clean split humbuckers, to dirty channel split, to neck pickup on the dirty channel with a little extra gain from the ts9... keeping it smooth and groovy...
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