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post #16 of 35 (permalink) Old 03-14-2006, 05:40 PM
 
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Re: Megadeth tuning to a 1/4 flat

Its due to production technique I do believe. Pretty sure I read it somewhere before. Maybe snarling just matches in with 430hrz

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Re: Megadeth tuning to a 1/4 flat

dimebag darrel (somebody correct me if im wrong) used to tune to something like 430 hz sometimes lower, but who knows why?

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Re: Megadeth tuning to a 1/4 flat

I think some of Pantera's stuff is C#, so 3 semitones lower. But hey, Steve has also recorded songs tuned to C# (something off ALS, IIRC)

If you stick to the regular strings going to D, that makes bending so much easeir, just listen to "Sad but True" that is tuned to D, while Kirk still uses 009s.
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Re: Megadeth tuning to a 1/4 flat

I don't even think it's a conscious thing. If all the strings are in tune with each other and the tension feels right, who cares what the pitch is? It's just a convention anyway.

I guess Dave just picked up a guitar with slihgtly loose strings because it hadn't been set up for some time, played, it sounded and felt good, and that's it.
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Re: Megadeth tuning to a 1/4 flat

well I understand the theory of studio trickery and I also understand airguitarheros theory as well..

But for 2-4 albums its all the same, I think mustaine just wanted to be slightly different then everyone else. And Im taking the time of the albums it would have been a bit heavier sounding than the rest of the bunch.
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well I understand the theory of studio trickery and I also understand airguitarheros theory as well..

But for 2-4 albums its all the same, I think mustaine just wanted to be slightly different then everyone else. And Im taking the time of the albums it would have been a bit heavier sounding than the rest of the bunch.
Greg Howe does the same on his albums but that's just because he's too lasy to check if he is tuned to 440 Hz.

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Re: Megadeth tuning to a 1/4 flat

I believe it probably has to do with the recording. Like "Ain't Talkin Bout Love" is a quarter-step down. But every other song on VHI is a 1/2 step down. The tape was sped up slightly causing it to sound 1/4 down. Anyone notice a lot of Dokken tunes are in this "in between" tuning? Like In My Dreams, Unchain the Night, Alone Again.
But if a band tunes to E and the tape is sped up, it sounds a 1/4 step high. Like Highway to Hell.
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I believe it probably has to do with the recording. Like "Ain't Talkin Bout Love" is a quarter-step down. But every other song on VHI is a 1/2 step down. The tape was sped up slightly causing it to sound 1/4 down.
You sure it was sped up? I've heard Eddie say that on the early albums, he'd just pick up his guitar, tune by ear, then have Michael Anthony tune to him.

Of course, EVH is a known liar, not to mention a crazy cat lady.
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But for 2-4 albums its all the same, I think mustaine just wanted to be slightly different then everyone else.
I've heard it said about Pantera (other than in this thread) and even Ozzy (Randy Rhoads bending his harmonics) where they'd tune just a little bit off to sound different, and Dave Mustaine is probably the type to subscribe to that thought as well. I read an interview with Mustaine where he talked about playing through a strobe tuner to make sure his string bending was precise, so it's hard to think that a differential in pitch in the recording would be anything less than intentional.
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You sure it was sped up? I've heard Eddie say that on the early albums, he'd just pick up his guitar, tune by ear, then have Michael Anthony tune to him.

Of course, EVH is a known liar, not to mention a crazy cat lady.
He might have done that since Greg Howe has been doing it for years also.

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I dont think they sped up a tape machine in a studio. They only do 2 speeds 30 ips and 15 ips. some do around 7.5 ips. To control that by hand would be impossible. They used only tape machines to track to back on the earlier albums. Digital tape machines are the same way.

I believe Mustaine tunes a 1/4 step down on purpose to sound flat. I believe what happened with madonna is AUTOTUNE by antares. It does pitch correction on vocals. She is also processed to get her tones I bet. AUTOTUNE didnt exist until recently so most of her recent stuff will sound different. With Pro Tools you can do a time stretch to get different sounds but pitch stays the same. Ive never seen or heard of an engineer slowing up a tape machine or a digital rig but someone may have done it though but I dont know how they did it.
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I believe what happened with madonna is AUTOTUNE by antares. It does pitch correction on vocals. She is also processed to get her tones I bet. AUTOTUNE didnt exist until recently so most of her recent stuff will sound different.
You sure? Have you ever heard Madonna talk? Her speaking voice is much closer to her current (lower) singing voice than her voice on her earlier albums. Also, when she performs live, she has always sung the "Tonight I wanna dance *with someone else*" part in Into the Groove low instead of high. I think the studio version is faked.

The explanation I've heard is that between her old stuff and new stuff, she did Evita, and had to learn to actually sing for the role.
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You sure? Have you ever heard Madonna talk? Her speaking voice is much closer to her current (lower) singing voice than her voice on her earlier albums. Also, when she performs live, she has always sung the "Tonight I wanna dance *with someone else*" part in Into the Groove low instead of high. I think the studio version is faked.

The explanation I've heard is that between her old stuff and new stuff, she did Evita, and had to learn to actually sing for the role.
Im sure. anteres has a rack version of autotuner also. Many acts use it.
There are many ways to mix a Vocal track. You can record 3 or 4 and EQ or process 3 of them and blend them with the normal track. Ive seen a project with 4 Vocal tracks all going thru different processers and such. Ive done it myself. You can also have another vocalist sing a track too and blend that in. There are many tricks to make something sound different but slowing a multi track machine aint one of em. IMHO... You can use a pitch shifter to process guitar tracks to get different sounds. You can make copies of a guitar track in a digital situation and then process them thru plugins like amplitude and get completely new tones. Magadeth was doing overdubs and touch ups on there latest CD at a studio I interned at and I didnt go in the 3 days they were there and I wished I did I could have told you exactly what Mustaine did. Life is full of regrets LOL. What you hear on the final CD is sooooooooooo far from what was tracked its unreal. Labels now demand a perfect record. They tune vocals,guitars, and completely tune drums also with beat detector. The timing can suck during tracking and Pro Tools can fix it. The VOX can suck and Autotune can fix it. Even a not so perfectly tuned guitar can be made perfect now.
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Quote: I don't even think it's a conscious thing. If all the strings are in tune with each other and the tension feels right, who cares what the pitch is? It's just a convention anyway.

It may be convention, but it is hell on those of us who can tell when tones are flat or sharp
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Re: Megadeth tuning to a 1/4 flat

I think the flat tuning by Megadeth was only on the first album. Low budget, couldn't affort a tuning fork. I just tuned up my guitar (with a tuner, not by ear) and played along with a few thing from different albums, and KIMB is the only one that doesn't work. I didn't try anything past RIP, but I've played along with all of the others without having to retune, so...

As far as speeding up stuff goes, nobody here has mentioned James Hetfield's bordering-on-chipmunk vocals on Ride The Lightning. It's always sounded strange to me anyway, like they had to slow the tape down for him to hit some of the notes, then sped it back up so it'd be in standard pitch.
There's my $.02 anyway.
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