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post #1 of 19 (permalink) Old 07-01-2005, 09:49 PM Thread Starter
 
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A Rake

Whats a rake, i searched it and still cant figure out what it is. I have the overall idea of what it is but i jsut cant do it.
Heres a peice from For The Love of God

---------|22-19-------|
--12s15-|------20-----|
---------|--------21---|
---------|-----------19|
---------|-------------|
---------|-------------|
| RAKE |

4:08 to 4:14 in the song

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Re: A Rake

For the last four notes, you're using a (mostly) continuous upwards motion with your picking hand. That's the "rake." (I think "sweep" is the more common term.) For me, it helps to think of it as pushing through the strings. So when you pick the high E, go through the string so that your pick comes to rest against the B. Pause. Pick the B and let the pick come to rest against the G. And so on. So it's all upwards motions, but it's not the same as strumming a chord with an upstroke. It's more like a thunk-thunk-thunk-thunk motion.

With your fretting hand, you want to be muting each string after it's picked.

As with everything else, it helps to start out insanely slowly. Like 2 notes per second. Or slower.

John Petrucci explains this well in his video.
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For the last four notes, you're using a (mostly) continuous upwards motion with your picking hand. That's the "rake." (I think "sweep" is the more common term.)
If im not mistaken, a rake is a motion in only one direction (one upstroke, or one downstroke.) Unlike a sweep where it is continuously up and down strokes. Something like the beginning of the first comfortably numb solo by Pink Floyd is a good example of a rake.

I may be mistaken however and it may be also known as a sweep...
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If im not mistaken, a rake is a motion in only one direction (one upstroke, or one downstroke.) Unlike a sweep where it is continuously up and down strokes. Something like the beginning of the first comfortably numb solo by Pink Floyd is a good example of a rake.
Oh, that makes sense.

So a rake is somewhere between a strum and a sweep?
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Oh, that makes sense.

So a rake is somewhere between a strum and a sweep?
Pretty much. Just think of how you would actally rake your yard, and how *some* people sweep their kitchen. You don't take a rake in the yard and swing it back and forth
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Pretty much. Just think of how you would actally rake your yard, and how *some* people sweep their kitchen. You don't take a rake in the yard and swing it back and forth
What if you have a leaf blower?
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What if you have a leaf blower?
Then get ready to purchase new strings.
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Re: A Rake

thanks guys...
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post #9 of 19 (permalink) Old 07-02-2005, 04:45 AM
 
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it's all part of the economy package anyway. right guys?
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Re: A Rake

Seeing as the rake is in the first measure, and what I know of raking isn't raking when you sweep trhough a couple of muted strings before you play the notes?
Maybe there should be a couple of XXX on the d and g strings
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I agree with elcid. I've always thought of 'rake' as a 'muted sweep', and it is usually transcribed as XXXX. Perhaps the legend on the tab should be 'sweep'?
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I agree with elcid. I've always thought of 'rake' as a 'muted sweep', and it is usually transcribed as XXXX. Perhaps the legend on the tab should be 'sweep'?

Yes .thats right...it's a sweep where the note's are really just clicks....
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Yes .thats right...it's a sweep where the note's are really just clicks....

Like the first comfortably numb solo
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If im not mistaken, a rake is a motion in only one direction (one upstroke, or one downstroke.) Unlike a sweep where it is continuously up and down strokes. Something like the beginning of the first comfortably numb solo by Pink Floyd is a good example of a rake.

I may be mistaken however and it may be also known as a sweep...
Muted sweep .

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I would call a rake a completely muffled sweep. A muted sweep on the other hand is just a muted sweep to me
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