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post #31 of 198 (permalink) Old 07-11-2005, 10:44 AM
 
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Re: Real Tube vs Amp Simulation (tone test)

Joey,

Actually, if he likes my tones, he should be looking at a Mesa and something in the Shure SM-57 family, or, for some of the older stff, a J-Station (pity they've basically discontinued them, they always struck me as more organic than Line6, in my admittedly limited experience).

Bonehead, your basic idea's right, though - just keep playing. Remember, midrange is your friend, sometimes less gain really IS more, and tone starts at the guitar, first and foremost. The rest is just personal taste.
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post #32 of 198 (permalink) Old 07-11-2005, 10:50 AM Thread Starter
 
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Re: Real Tube vs Amp Simulation (tone test)

Xt has Mesa in it..and you don't need a mic..

Don't you just love the 21st century.......


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post #33 of 198 (permalink) Old 07-11-2005, 12:41 PM
 
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I am very curious to hear this mesa stuff..
Oh, so you've apparently "heard this mesa stuff" in the last couple days, and can now say the XT sounds better than a real Mesa? Impressive.

The Mesa models (plus the fender blackface) are the only two useable models on my J-Station, IMO, but even those pale compared to the real thing - the dynamics are off (WAY too compressed), especially at the lower threshold of the gain knob, and it doesn't have the tonal flexibility of the (notoriously tweak-sensitive) originals (once again, this is especially true at the lower ranges of preamp gain, as the gain controls and the tone stack are incredibly interactive). Add to that I have yet to hear a speaker sim that's as good as the real thing, and I'd hardly say an XT is "the only thing you'll ever need."

Of course debating with you is like trying to have a conversation with a wall - at the end of the day, it's like you're talking to a brick.
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Joey,

The rest is just personal taste.
Ok so if you like the Xt, Than it's ok to use it..



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Ok so if you like the Xt, Than it's ok to use it..
Yes, it's perfectly ok to use, go right ahead.
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Of course debating with you is like trying to have a conversation with a wall - at the end of the day, it's like you're talking to a brick.
um you are....hehehe

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Right... because he wants to sound like you....
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post #38 of 198 (permalink) Old 07-11-2005, 08:55 PM
 
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No accounting for personal taste.
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post #39 of 198 (permalink) Old 07-11-2005, 10:00 PM
 
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Re: Real Tube vs Amp Simulation (tone test)

A nice A/B should have been posted, but I think maybe the wrong person was at the controls of this thread.
Could have been informative, but ended up like the others, a flame war.. sad...
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post #40 of 198 (permalink) Old 07-12-2005, 03:25 PM Thread Starter
 
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Re: Real Tube vs Amp Simulation (tone test)

Not a war,

Just we need everone to know tubes are overrated..Mic'n an amp is also..

Xt can do it..

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Re: Real Tube vs Amp Simulation (tone test)

Personally I think your tone is poor.
You have your opinion, I have mine.
Your way isn't the ONLY way.
NEXT !



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Bamm, it's worth noting that joey's tone would probably blow just as badly with a good tube amp, properly mic'd, in a decent studio... Some times, there's just no hope.
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Bamm, it's worth noting that joey's tone would probably blow just as badly with a good tube amp, properly mic'd, in a decent studio... Some times, there's just no hope.
My point,

With Xt you don't need all that crap..

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Not a war,

Just we need everone to know tubes are overrated..Mic'n an amp is also..

Xt can do it..

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Is that how you achieve that wonderful sound? Personally I'd rather plug my Jem into my Legacy, crank it up to 10, and let my 2 year old beat the fretboard with a hammer. At least it wouldn't sound so strained. Not to mention it would have some originality and it wouldn't make my ears bleed as bad.

Amen.
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Re: Real Tube vs Amp Simulation (tone test)

joey,

a simulator can NEVER replace a real thing. When playing in a REAL amp there are alot of things to be noticed like dynamics in string hitting, vibratos, bends etc... a TUBE AMP is a TRUE AMP> give a ****ty input and u get a ****ty output. IMO podxt's sound is "decorated". Playing thru a tube amp cleans up ur playing in a great way and after hearing ur clips it seems that u still have'nt realized it.
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