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post #61 of 198 (permalink) Old 07-14-2005, 12:16 PM Thread Starter
 
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Re: Real Tube vs Amp Simulation (tone test)

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Oh, he!!, maybe I'm just old... These kids today, they think McDonalds is fine dining

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UUUMMM

It is...

lol

I just want tube freaks to know ,Xt can do it...That's all...

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post #62 of 198 (permalink) Old 07-14-2005, 12:23 PM
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Re: Real Tube vs Amp Simulation (tone test)

Can do what? Can create a decent recorded sound? Yeah, we all already know that, there are tons of Line 6 fans here.
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Re: Real Tube vs Amp Simulation (tone test)

Ok fine.
Here are some rough mix clips of some of my solos from my old band from 6 years ago, these are pretty dry and all Mesa Studio .22 1x12 combo.
http://dnr-music.com/Stuff/tender.mp3
http://dnr-music.com/Stuff/SOLITUDE.mp3
http://dnr-music.com/Stuff/Blink.mp3
A sennheiser off axis of the speaker and away ya go.

No POD, just some noise gate and some minor EQing.
Now mind you, before I had my Mesa Stuff, I was running ADA and Marshall.
Prior to that (crux of my point) I had an ART SGE Mach II which was supposed to have tube emulation and speaker simulation as well.
I ran that as my main distortion for a couple years, thinking it was great and dandy, THEN I PLAYED A REAL AMP.

Stuff changed in my head after that, and I understood the subtleties of tubes and how well they did what they did.
So you keep preaching about the XT but I have news, it isn't for everyone.
especially those who can tell the difference.

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Kind of funny, I haven't listened to these in a while, but you can really hear the relationship between amp, speaker, and microphone. There is a definate interaction that is discernable. I know these aren't great by any stretch, but you can HEAR what the guitar sounds like vs NOT hearing it.
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Oh, he!!, maybe I'm just old... These kids today, they think McDonalds is fine dining

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Didn't you when you were a kid?
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post #66 of 198 (permalink) Old 07-14-2005, 02:09 PM Thread Starter
 
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Re: Real Tube vs Amp Simulation (tone test)

Bam,

I listen to the first tone,it sounds like a normal guitar tone..

Flat ...Not Full...Our tone ,what ever it is should be big and fat..in your face type tone..

That where the Xt comes in ...It has a true clean sound..and the higher up in the mix, the better it sounds..

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post #67 of 198 (permalink) Old 07-14-2005, 02:12 PM Thread Starter
 
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But the lead work was very nice,If that was done with a Xt in stereo with some reverb...

hehehe...

It would of been hot!!!

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Its a lead, it isn't supposed to full up the entire spectrum, it has a niche in the middle range where it belongs. Bass and kicks live down low, cymbals and other percussion have their place too. Why would you muddle up the composition with stuff that doesn't belong?
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HEHEHEHE

Why do you think they call it lead guitar,Lead mean time to shine.

Everything in the song stops for a few seconds,just for you..like the song takes a break..

But if your tone is flat..its just another trac in the mix..

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. Bass and kicks live down low, cymbals and other percussion have their place too. Why would you muddle up the composition with stuff that doesn't belong?
The guitar is a violin and a cello 2 in 1 baby..cello e-a-d violin g-b-e

They need there own tracs thats why you hear the bass of my leads doing different things..

Thats what kik's ass about the Xt,your getting the full sound of the guitar and not what the mic can only do..

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Re: Real Tube vs Amp Simulation (tone test)

Nice analogy, except most mics can handle a broad range typically 20-40 Hz up to 18+Khz, so that isn't the issue. And guess what, you heard every note in the solos, yours end up like mud man.
But whatever, you haven't played in a band so I don't expect you to get it.
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Re: Real Tube vs Amp Simulation (tone test)

Bamm, particularly that last track, the guitar sounded great. gotta love Mesas - plenty of mids, warm as hell, very organic, and great dynamic response - you can hear it when you're digging in and when you're easing into notes.

I don't know what Joey's talking about - plenty of treble (without being harsh), dripping with mids, and clear yet defined bass. I dig.
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Can you mic a bass with an sm57?

Why are there different mics?

If you have bass strings in a guitar and violin strings in a guitar why would you use the same mic for both recordings?

In my crazy mind ,I would think you would use a high fidelity mic for your higher notes and a really good mic for bass response..but to use the same mic could produce a hideous tone..

hhmm or you could just get an Xt..and do what I am doing..

I am running an Xt into a 3 way crossover and my guitar will have 6 different tracs 2 lows,2 mids and 2 highs...

Now ,if I want to add bass my highs won't get hit..right now this is just a myth in my head,the crossover will be here tomorrow..



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I'm done here too...
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Not a war,

Just we need everone to know tubes are overrated..Mic'n an amp is also..

Xt can do it..

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Dude, I have an XT, I DO know how to use it (i.e. backing off on the gain and reverb so it doesn't sound like a chainsaw in a cathedral) and there's no way it's going to sound like a properly miked Mesa. It's just not.

It's a great tool, but it's not a replacement for the real thing.

If you really believe that, you may want to consider another hobby. Because clearly you're tone deaf.

I am not trying to flame here, but seriously.
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