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post #1 of 20 (permalink) Old 03-02-2010, 01:25 PM Thread Starter
 
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So I want to play Fusion......

But where the hell do I start?

Now, I've listened to musicians/guitarists such as Greg Howe and Guthrie Govan so I guess I'm the right direction right?

But...Lessons...I've checked youtube and only some lessons seem interesting and others don't show stuff that I am not ready for (for exmaple: Chicken picking) or I have no interest in learning.

Also, anyone care to explain the style " Fusion " to me? Would appreciate it!
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Re: So I want to play Fusion......

Fusion is a combination or mid ground between jazz and rock; in the earliest examples it was called jazz-rock fusion. So, that's what it is. If you want to be able to be good at it, you can simply study jazz, and apply what you learn to rock Chord substitution, soloing over changes, that sort of thing.
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the act or process of fusing; the state of being fused

Regarding your particular usage of the word though...
popular music that is a blend of two styles, esp. a combining of jazz with either rock, funk, classical music, or such ethnic elements as Brazilian or Japanese music.

Fusion and/or progressive music can sometimes be one and the same IMHO

Something like Trans Siberian Orchestra is, I feel, both progressive and fusion. Though fusion most often applies to jazz with rock leanings or rock with jazz leanings... For example, some of my faves

Chick Corea and Return To Forever
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSksWyHsYw8

Russ Freeman and The Rippingtons
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4-ux_yd6sc

Stanley Clarke
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAo3T...eature=related

Al Dimeola
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClbE6YEO6e0

Issei Noro and Casiopea (Really very good stuff here)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QhQDhCqKzQ
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Re: So I want to play Fusion......

So you want to play Fusion, and yet you don't know what Fusion is?

* where's the "scratches head" smilie?
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Re: So I want to play Fusion......

Check out Larry carlton and Lee Ritenour on youtube. Look for 'Room 335'
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Check out Larry carlton and Lee Ritenour on youtube. Look for 'Room 335'
I LOVE Lee Ritenour, and Larry Carlton... Good call Jim!
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So you want to play Fusion, and yet you don't know what Fusion is?

* where's the "scratches head" smilie?
Had a broad idea of what it is, but I needed reassurance

Cheers guys for sharing all the info I'll look into it when i can
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Check out Larry carlton and Lee Ritenour on youtube. Look for 'Room 335'
Hooray for elevator music

Its absolutely amazing
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Re: So I want to play Fusion......

Just gradually move into it! Make sure you listen to some jazz and obviously guys like Guthrie Govan etc. Transcribe some solos!
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Re: So I want to play Fusion......

If you want to play Fusion, you have to be able to improvise in time. Your average Blues/Rock player usually has no clue of the rhythms they're playing. This can possibly be attributed to the fact that Rock guitar's foundation was established by guys who were trashed out of their minds at all times, and you can hear it in their rhythms when they try to improvise. I won't name names...

Looking at how great Fusion players approach Blues solos will help you make your transition. Larry Carlton is also a tremendous blues player because he plays in the pocket and tells a great rhythmic "story". Check out him playing a blues solo here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlUf1ppoSG4

Notice how much of a vocal quality there is to his melody, because he is leaving that beautiful space between phrases, and not constantly playing fast. When he does do that fast lick, he means it. This is the kind of discretion you need to develop to take your phrasing to the next level.

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Rock guitar's foundation was established by guys who were trashed out of their minds at all times, and you can hear it in their rhythms when they try to improvise. I won't name names...
Please do. Is this some sort of sorry dig at players Like Hendrix, Clapton or Page? or perhaps EvH?

The basis for fusion is rock+jazz and the basis for both rock and jazz is blues.
In either one of those genres you will find players taking liberties with timing; that's part of these styles.
Hendrix' Red House from Live at Winterland is a masterclass in timing and polyrhythms, thanks in part to a Jazz trained rhythm section.
Page, Clapton (Cream) and EvH used jazz trained rhythm sections, allowing them those liberties.

Also one of Carlton's biggest influences is Coltrane. Why rip on Rock/Blues players improvising "trashed out of their minds"
when 'Trane was just as guilty of this? Both he and Miles were addicted to heroin.


What's weird too, is that I'm sure Carlton can play, but the example you've provided has to be Larry Carlton at his worst.
He sounds like a poor Albert King impersonator. Please leave that stuff to Clapton or SRV. They are much better at it.

The second Carlton-blues youtube I hit was even worse...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-R8Nj...eature=related
And another poorly executed Carlton attempt, this time rock, covering Clapton:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqie9...eature=related

This is better, but Carlton still manages to get upstaged by Robben Ford:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBS7B...aynext_from=QL

I think it is the most common error for fusion players:
they try too hard to emulate or evoke a certain style which isn't theirs,
whether blues or rock or progressive.
It turns into something like a Chinese chef stir frying a Porterhouse.
There's nothing wrong with Chinese food, but there are certain things you need do with a big steak.
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Re: So I want to play Fusion......

fusion = SHAWN LANE.check him out,you won't be disappointed.
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Re: So I want to play Fusion......

My recomandations: Mike Stern, Frank Gambale, Pat Metheny Group, Robben Ford, John McLaughlin
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Re: So I want to play Fusion......

So far my fav are Shawn Lane, Frank Gambale, Greg Howe, Guthrie Govan and Richie Kotzen.

This may take me a few a years to apply what im listening to onto the fretboard :P
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Re: So I want to play Fusion......

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This may take me a few a years to apply what im listening to onto the fretboard :P
That's completely normal. There is no easy way, just hard work to get good at playing your instrument.
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