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post #1 of 22 (permalink) Old 02-24-2010, 12:04 PM Thread Starter
 
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solos with metronome?

As title say, I know how to practice scales with a metronome but I donít know with solos.
Say I have tabs for a solo and would like to use a metronome while practicing. How do I do that? How do I know which notes suppose to play on which beat of metronome? Thanks
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Re: solos with metronome?

This is a good question, but could you elaborate a bit more please?
What kind of tab? (does it have rhythmic notation on it?)

Do you know how to read rhythms and music in general?
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Re: solos with metronome?

Any kind of guitar tab usually found on the Internet. For a simple example, sweet child o mine intro, by looking at the tabs in ultimate-guitar.com, I know which string and notes are being used but I donít know when I should play which note. Of course I can listen to the original song and play along but I want to practice with metronome to get my timing right.

I know how to read rhythms (bars and beats etc) but not chart/sheet music. thanks.
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Re: solos with metronome?

If you can tap your foot along and play in time you should be able to play to a metronome.

You can use the metronome to beat as your crotchets, quavers, semi quavers or whatever you need.


Perhaps try singing the tune along to the metronome first - like I always say; if you can say it, you can play it (eventually).

The notes in the Sweet Child OM intro are all the same length I believe so I don't really know what you are having trouble with. Just start the metronome up, set it to the right tempo, feel the pulse, maybe sing it through a few times and then play.
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Re: solos with metronome?

The intro to sweet child o mine is all straight eighth notes. So, set the metronome to whatever speed you want to try, and start playing on the "1" click. It's counted "1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and"

Pretty straight forward, you shouldn't have too much trouble with it.
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Re: solos with metronome?

Time for my rare appearance in the theory forum...

I'm under a very strong impression that there's a whole generation of guitarists out there that hear Mr. Shreddermen say "remember kids, always practice with a metronome!" but don't really grasp why they say this, or when they should or shouldn't.

Scales are divisions of the octave. Nothing about learning a scale need involve a metronome. You could sit down with a guitar and thoroughly study a scale without even playing a single note of "music". Going through an excercise that is derived from a scale could certainly involve a metronome, however.

How would you use the metronome in a solo? Short answer; learn to read music. This is not necessary, however, you could play the solo along with the metronome just by ear if you can listen to the CD. It would basically be taking the place of the drummer. If you have the ability, I would record the rhythm track along with the metronome. Just my preference, however. You would be getting the best of both worlds in that case though.

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Re: solos with metronome?

Thanks guys. Maybe sweet child o mine intro is not a good example as it is all the same length. How about the solo?

I can play the solo with a backing track but I want to play each note precisely, as in every beat of the bar. Some songs don’t have backing tracks, so I thought I should practice with metronome. But I can’t make the relationship between metronome and tab notes.
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Re: solos with metronome?

The metronome would be in the same role as drummer. If you really want to, you could take note of exactly which phrases fall in each bar, then play those phrases in each bar. Really, what you're asking to do is impossible with tablature. Tablature doesn't give you any indication of time. If you had the musical notation, you could take the timing from there and apply it to the tabalature. Unless you're going to incorporate timing from musical notation or just figure out the timing on your own, you'll have to just practice and do it by feel.

To continue the Sweet Child O Mine example, If I give you a backing rhythm guitar and drum track, it shouldn't be that hard to play along once you've memorized the solo to the point where you're beginning and ending very, very, very close to where the record is. Hell, you could probably do it without the metronome or backing track if you're familiar with the solo to the point that you can hum it, you could probably hear the rest of the band in your head as you play it. Don't get me wrong, metronomes have their places. They can be indispensable (although I prefer a drum machine). I really tend to use metronomes and drum machines more for keeping a precise rhythm and just let the melody and phrases fall where they feel natural within the particular bar. I understand what you're trying to accomplish, but I think you might be making it seem harder than it is.

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Re: solos with metronome?

Find the guitar pro version and learn how to read rhythm notation.
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I know how to read rhythms (bars and beats etc) but not chart/sheet music.
Penny dropped. That ASCII method is amatuer rubbish and has no role in reading rhythms. Invest in GP as he says. But it uses its own style if you only have the tab notation - long stems for crotchets, short stems for minims (I hate that about it).
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Re: solos with metronome?

I have the Guitar Pro software. What happening is I can play notes within the particular bar, but not precisely for each beat. So my drummer suggested I should practice with metronome, so I will know which notes to play on which beat on/off. I prefer the drum machine to practice rhythm and scales too.
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Re: solos with metronome?

In that case try alternate picking and keep your picking hand going even when you're not playing a note. Once you get a solid rhythm going with your picking hand in time with the metronome, you're set. Choose the smallest subdivision in the phrase so if it's got 16th notes alternate pick 16th notes.

If necessary slow it down. You can also try doubling the tempo so the metronome clicks twice per beat.

Watch these videos by Pebber Brown - one of the best teachers on youtube. he explains it well and has some metronome picking exercises;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4Zj5wMrwTE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk66bhKW-cU

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Re: solos with metronome?

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I have the Guitar Pro software. What happening is I can play notes within the particular bar, but not precisely for each beat. So my drummer suggested I should practice with metronome, so I will know which notes to play on which beat on/off. I prefer the drum machine to practice rhythm and scales too.
Guitar Pro software offers you the ability to change the tempo for the song, and even has a loop trainer to help you work parts up to speed. I'd suggest working the parts out at 75% or even 50% of the original speed. Once you get them PERFECT, bump the tempo up by 10% and repeat until you're playing it at full speed.
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Re: solos with metronome?

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I have the Guitar Pro software. What happening is I can play notes within the particular bar, but not precisely for each beat. So my drummer suggested I should practice with metronome, so I will know which notes to play on which beat on/off. I prefer the drum machine to practice rhythm and scales too.
What you should do is practice reading notes rather than just tab, and following how those notes play within the time signature. My daughter has a problem with rhythm. She can play piano quite well, but she doesn't necessarily look at the notes (quarter, eight, etc). Her piano teacher tells her that "I've never heard that played like that" because it is pretty much wrong. He helps her learn the "that's an 8th note, which means this many beats/counts." She's 7 years old by the way.
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Re: solos with metronome?

Guitar Pro has a metronome built in and highlights the note you're supposed to be playing. If you don't want to learn to read, etc (which you really should do...) then you could just watch it play a couple of time, then use the tempo coefficient button to hack the tempo down and play along.
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