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post #1 of 7 (permalink) Old 05-19-2003, 04:11 PM Thread Starter
 
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Speed problems. Chromatics arnt working....

Hi there.

I for a while began trying to get my speed up and i started by playing 1234 type chromatics all over the neck, and got up to about 4notes per beat, 180bpm.

Yet, i still suck at actually playing fast. Due to me only playing 1234 in a consistant pattern i suck when it comes to fast licks, so i then i tried doing different combo's, say 2134, 3142 etc etc. But im still crap.

So for the moment chromatics are on the hold.

Is there anything that you guys recomend that will actually benefit me?, possibly anysongs that would get my chops up a bit?

Altough bear-in mind i can only just about play TS atm
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post #2 of 7 (permalink) Old 05-19-2003, 06:10 PM
 
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Play some 3-note per string SCALES...they sound a lot less annoying, and you get more out of them. I was never a big fan of running up and down chromatics. Just whatever you do, practice with a metronome and practice everything you can get your hands on.
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those chromatic runs at 180bpm are blazing. John petrucci can only do 208 so you are probably faster at chromatics than most of us here. Are you playing them cleanly? If you arent picking cleanly, then you've lost the battle already. I agree on 3 notes per string but you should play them as sixteenth note triplets (6 notes per beat). Unfrotunately there are countless patterns and fingerings and the above excersises are just preperation for you to start branching out into other things. Anything by dream theater is excellent to learn. I recommend "Erotomania" , "metropolis" , and "ytsejam". John uses many odd patterns and fingerings in these songs.
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post #4 of 7 (permalink) Old 05-20-2003, 01:11 AM
 
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I'd say do a search for the 10 hour workout by Steve Vai. There is a pretty good variation of fingerings that you can practice. Also, try practicing the modes of any given key. Pleny of different fingerings there as well.
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those chromatic runs at 180bpm are blazing. John petrucci can only do 208 so you are probably faster at chromatics than most of us here. Are you playing them cleanly?
Hmm, something doesn’t seem right with that. I mean, I can only just about play 4 notes per beat at 180bpm, and that’s pretty sh*t from my point of view, compared with what ive seen some guys do. And i can really only do it when playing a simple pattern like going from the low E to high e, then moving along a fret and going down, etc. Actually doing anything else is pretty crap

I do play them cleanly ,we at least I used. But I usually had some mistakes here and there.


The only thing I have seen that has been beneficial from doing chromatics is a slight strength in my little finger, but it hasn’t actually helped with licks. Basically anything that is even remotely fast, and isn’t a simple 1234 pattern I suck at.
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post #6 of 7 (permalink) Old 05-21-2003, 09:43 AM
 
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I teach my students (mostly beginners) to play the 1234 chromatic scales to build strength- not speed. They really help to isolate the fingers dexterity and overall muscle control. Vai has some great finger control patterns and they are mostly for great warm ups and finger control. Speed will come through playing patterns over and over to get the muscle memory so your brain doesn't interfere with what your hand is doing- the hand can play faster when it isn't wondering where to move. I think there is a balance somewhere in this. I've had luck with 3 note epr string patterns myself and running them straight, in 3rds going up and down, in 4ths, 5ths 6ths ect.. Try string skipping patterns as well - they are very helpful too.
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post #7 of 7 (permalink) Old 05-21-2003, 11:13 AM Thread Starter
 
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cheers for all the replies.
Ive realised really that the way to build speed is to basically play. I mean, from learning a song with some licks in, i have got faster than i ever would doing chormatics. So i think im basically going to stick with just playing actual songs, and licks
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