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Trying to grasp the rule.

I understand there’s rules regarding complimentary scales or cords and I’m trying to find out what that rule is. For example; I believe if you are playing a Major scale; say in "A" the complimentary scale in minor will be 2 notes down on the scale which would be G minor….or something like that….

Does someone know this rule?
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Re: Trying to grasp the rule.....

I think what you are asking for is something called relative minor and is a major 6th above or a minor 3rd below your "reference" note (the 1ts of your major scale)
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I think what you are asking for is something called relative minor and is a major 6th above or a minor 3rd below your "reference" note (the 1ts of your major scale)

OK so if a cord progression is "A" Major I can play a "f" minor scale over it?
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OK so if a cord progression is "A" Major I can play a "f" minor scale over it?
F# minor
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Re: Trying to grasp the rule.....

This is all starting to become overwhelming....Cord progressions, Modes, Scales, Triads, root-fifth, or root-octave, etc. etc. etc. It goes on forever.....
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Re: Trying to grasp the rule.....

I got this from a nother site......


The relative minor is found 6 scale degrees "up" from the "Tonic" (the technical name for the root note of the major scale--e.g., "Am" is the relative minor of "C"). When going from minor to Major you count 3 scale degrees "up" from the "submediant" (the technical name for the root note of the minor scale--e.g., "C" is the relative major of "Am").

Is this correct?
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Re: Trying to grasp the rule.....

Yes that is correct.
Though I woul still call A the tonic in Aminor, not the submediant
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This is all starting to become overwhelming....Cord progressions, Modes, Scales, Triads, root-fifth, or root-octave, etc. etc. etc. It goes on forever.....
Of course it's tough. I have two college music degrees and I'm still learning theory and structure - sometimes I feel like I don't know anything.

If it was easy, everybody would be doing it -your mother would probably be touring with Aerosmith right now.
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Re: Trying to grasp the rule.....

If you want to learn theory for college or whatever, then studying books etc is a good way to go. But by far the best way to become a better musician all around is to join a band of some sort. I see it a very similar way to a learning a new language. Where taking lessons in Spanish (for example) is good, it is nothing compared to going to Spain and experiencing the various dialects etc of that language and being thrown in at the deep end so to speak.
So what I'm saying to you is, unless your doing this as a written exam, join a band (but try to join a band of musicians who are more able than yourself so you don't end up the only one who knows any music theory). If you join the right band, it really will help you.
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If it was easy, everybody would be doing it.
My instructor said the same thing.......I'm not asking for simplicity, only an understanding.


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Honestly nobody would want to have me in their band. I've only been playing for a year and that simply isn't enough time to grasp all the cords and scales, let alone actually play songs.....Well maybe for some of you but at my age it takes longer....
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You can be as good as you want. Don't judge, don't compete, don't get discouraged, and don't sell yourself short. And have fun, you'll do great.
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My instructor said the same thing.......I'm not asking for simplicity, only an understanding.


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Honestly nobody would want to have me in their band. I've only been playing for a year and that simply isn't enough time to grasp all the cords and scales, let alone actually play songs.....Well maybe for some of you but at my age it takes longer....
Learn songs, copy licks from your favorite players. After you've got the licks, then try to apply the theory and figure out how theory applies to them. In the beginning though, it's best to just copy licks and listen to how the licks work over the chords. Follow your ears first.
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My instructor said the same thing.......I'm not asking for simplicity, only an understanding.
Personally I find relative minor/major scales a pretty easy concept to grasp. If you want major, go up 3 half steps/minor 3rd interval. If you want minor, go down the same distance. C major/ A minor, G major/ E minor, D major/ B minor, so on and so forth. Best way to give an example is on the piano. All the white keys play C major (Major scales having intervals of WWHWWWH). A minor (Minor scales having intervals of WHWWHWWW), uses the exact same notes as C major; all the white keys.
(R)WWHWWWH(R) - major
(R)WHWWHWW(R) - minor
(R)WWHWWWH(W/R)WHWWWH(R) - 2 octave major, notice how the minor scale fits perfectly into the 6th interval above (Or 3rd below, of course).
W = whole step
H = half step
R = root
If you find all the music theory confusing just completely forget about the modes for the moment and that will be one big heap less to worry about. They aren't crucial to understand even if you're writing songs.
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[QUOTE=Scallywag;990017]My instructor said the same thing.......I'm not asking for simplicity, only an understanding.

actually it's quite easy to and understand

C maj is always a good place to start
1st play the major scale in C
then practice the scale using each successive note as a starting and ending note
IE; play D E F G A B C D, then say.... F G A B C D E F.... and on from there
now if you look this up in a theory book you will discover that you have just practiced and learned 6 of the most common mode scales.
do this for every scale you already know. should last about 6 months.
then study the 2 remaining most common modes that encompass dominate 7th and harmonic minors
there..............
taking into account what it will involve to play all those scales clearly and correctly I have just given you 2 years worth of work to do.
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