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post #1 of 21 (permalink) Old 12-19-2009, 10:38 PM Thread Starter
 
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What do you call a 13-tuplet?

If you have 13 notes in the space of 2 beats, what do you call it? I ask because I was trying to notate a little etude in Guitar Pro and the main phrase is 13 notes in the space of 2. It's a tuplet like a quintuplet or sextuplet but it's based on 13. I know it can be notated with "13:2" and a bracket over the notes but I can't do that in Guitar Pro so I just selected all the notes and applied a 13-tuplet to them.

I think this would be a called a triskaidekatuplet but I can't verify that on the net.
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Re: What do you call a 13-tuplet?

Forget the rules, music has no rules...
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Re: What do you call a 13-tuplet?

I understand what you're saying but this isn't about rules, it's about terminology which can be used to communicate musical ideas. I don't have to know what a 13-tuplet is to play it but knowing what it's called makes it possible to talk about it.

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Re: What do you call a 13-tuplet?

If you are playing coherent notes that fast, its probably not a duplet.
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Re: What do you call a 13-tuplet?

I don't know if there's a proper word for it, but I guess it's something like tridecuplet. Triskaidekatuplet doesn't make that much sense since it's also triplet and decuplet and not triskatuplet or dekatuplet (or triscatuplet or decatuplet).
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Just make sure your spending more time playing it then talking about it, and youl be fine :P
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Re: What do you call a 13-tuplet?

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If you are playing coherent notes that fast, its probably not a duplet.
You're correct. Expressing this as "13:2" in notation would be wrong.

In this case, these notes could be expressed as "13:8" because I'm fitting 13 notes in the space of the 8.
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Re: What do you call a 13-tuplet?

I haven't finished notating this (still needs picking directions) but here's what it looks like so far:

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I don't know if there's a proper word for it, but I guess it's something like tridecuplet. Triskaidekatuplet doesn't make that much sense since it's also triplet and decuplet and not triskatuplet or dekatuplet (or triscatuplet or decatuplet).
Actually, when I was looking for the actual word (triskaidekatuplet), I ran across the definition for the prefix triskaideka as in triskaidekaphobia (fear of the number 13).

The word triskaideka literally translates to "3 and 10" or thirteen so the word triskaidekatuplet actually makes sense.
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Re: What do you call a 13-tuplet?

So call it a triskaidekatuplet.. I understand where you got the triskaideka from, but I don't think it's used in this context as I already explained.
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So call it a triskaidekatuplet.. I understand where you got the triskaideka from, but I don't think it's used in this context as I already explained.
Y'know, the more I think about this, the more I agree with you. Thank you for your input.
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Re: What do you call a 13-tuplet?

Just call it a 'thirteen-tuplet'.
If you call it a triskaidekatuplet no one is going to know what you're talking about!

Every time I've needed to discuss a tuplet, it has been referred to by it's number:

"don't rush the 17's", "take it from the 11's in the cadenza" etc
Much easier and you don't look like you're trying to be a smart ass.

Also, you may want to consider changing the time signature to 13/8 as this would solve a lot of headaches, unless you are going for some sort of cross rhythm against the 4/4 you may as well make it 13/8.

I guess I'd have to hear what you're going for though mate
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Re: What do you call a 13-tuplet?

I'd like to call that "difficult".

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Re: What do you call a 13-tuplet?

Thanks MattyG. What you say makes sense.

I do like the sound of it against 4/4. I just started playing it one day and decided to transcribe it to practice along with.

I'm actually starting to look at they rhythm of this as 7s and 6s because the 1st note of the 2nd phrase in each bar starts on the 3.
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Re: What do you call a 13-tuplet?

Yes a phrase like this often has a natural pulse to it, rather than playing it as a straight line of 13 quavers you phrase it with emphasis on certain notes, creating a rhytm within the grouping or perhaps changing the way the notes are groped all together.
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