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post #1 of 63 (permalink) Old 02-05-2010, 10:22 AM Thread Starter
 
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what does in mean when someone says " this lick is in the key of C"

what does it mean when a song or lick is in a key of a note? how do we transpose that to the guitar?
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post #2 of 63 (permalink) Old 02-05-2010, 10:39 AM
 
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Re: what does in mean when someone says " this lick is in the key of C"

Depends if they mean C as in C Major.. then it would mean that it is comprised of C D E F G A and B.. if they meant "C" as in C minor.. C D Eb F G Ab B.. usually if someone said "Key of C" to me, I'd assume that they meant C Major. C is the Root/Tonic and the "I" chord.
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Re: what does in mean when someone says " this lick is in the key of C"

What he said, and as the transposing, so the song originally was in the key of G, and the chord progression was something like: G-C-D, then transposing it to the key of C would be C-F-G.

Easiest way to look at it, is the look at the original key of the song G, and its chord progression G-C-D, and understand that as the intervals of the song. I-IV-V, which is G being the root is I, and C and D are the 4th and 5th intervals in the G major scale so they are the IV and the V. So when going to another key, if you use the intervals to understand the chord structure, then its easy to what the transposed chords are. C-F-G, are the I (root), IV and V of the key of C.

I hope that helps. Working with a group that use the Nashville numbering system and understanding that has gone along way to help me. Especially since we transpose alot of the songs to different keys to make them more singable.

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What he said, and as the transposing, so the song originally was in the key of G, and the chord progression was something like: G-C-D, then transposing it to the key of C would be C-F-G.

Easiest way to look at it, is the look at the original key of the song G, and its chord progression G-C-D, and understand that as the intervals of the song. I-IV-V, which is G being the root is I, and C and D are the 4th and 5th intervals in the G major scale so they are the IV and the V. So when going to another key, if you use the intervals to understand the chord structure, then its easy to what the transposed chords are. C-F-G, are the I (root), IV and V of the key of C.

I hope that helps. Working with a group that use the Nashville numbering system and understanding that has gone along way to help me. Especially since we transpose alot of the songs to different keys to make them more singable.

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Re: what does in mean when someone says " this lick is in the key of C"

yeah me too lol trying to learn music theory by myself is beyond me. once i get some money im going to hire someone to teach me. is it true that once you fully learn music theory, the guitar is opened up
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yeah me too lol trying to learn music theory by myself is beyond me. once i get some money im going to hire someone to teach me. is it true that once you fully learn music theory, the guitar is opened up
Absolutely. Once you just learn how the scales all intertwine together you will be able to fly all over the neck and have it sound amazing (with practice!).
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is it true that once you fully learn music theory, the guitar is opened up
So so true. I'm teaching lessons at the moment, and the thing which I'm taking the most time with with real beginners (at least, if they're up for it) is the theory side, they can work on shredding in their own time.
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that sounds great. something wierd happened today... i was playing for the love of god when i realized i could play further than the intro, i never looked at anything farther than the intro. icould play a couple measures more just from listening to the song more. i think im starting to get a deeper understanding of the guitar. just from my measley lessons. it was pretty cool.
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Re: what does in mean when someone says " this lick is in the key of C"

It simply means that C is the tonic (the most stable note).
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Re: what does in mean when someone says " this lick is in the key of C"

I think there are a couple of things you need to take into account:

1 lick implies a chord (arpeggio/broken, rolled chord)

2 lick has it's own natural tonal center:
a. tonal center is traditional major or minor,
b. but could also be modal, blues/jazz, exotic, augmented etc.
c. leading notes or chromaticism is used to establish the tonic.

3 lick has multiple tonal centers:
a. lick contains a traditional movement/mimics a progression,
b. turnaround or smilar, ex.: tonal center starts at ii moves via V in natural progression to I
c. subsequent arpreggios

4. lick works over a chord
a. change the underlying chord, keep the pitches of the lick the same: completely different feel (tonal center changes)
b. diatonic shift allows you to play it over another chord in the same scale, pitches change but more importantly relative intervals within the lick change,
c. parallel shift over the same chord means it takes on a completely different feel (pitches change but relative intervals within the lick remain the same)
d. pedal point, lick moves diatonic (b) or parallel (c).

There must be more ways to look at it (I'm sure someone with more background in music theory could expand), but one thing is for sure: it's not as simple as "this lick is in C".

1. Emphasises the feel, atmosphere or colour of the chord.
2. Mostly melody,
-could imply feel (especially with modal or exotic licks)
-could imply a circular progression.
3. Emphasises melody.
4. Emphasis on harmonies.
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Re: what does in mean when someone says " this lick is in the key of C"

Usually it just means the lick is intended for use over a C Chord
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Re: what does in mean when someone says " this lick is in the key of C"

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I think there are a couple of things you need to take into account:

1 lick implies a chord (arpeggio/broken, rolled chord)

2 lick has it's own natural tonal center:
a. tonal center is traditional major or minor,
b. but could also be modal, blues/jazz, exotic, augmented etc.
c. leading notes or chromaticism is used to establish the tonic.

3 lick has multiple tonal centers:
a. lick contains a traditional movement/mimics a progression,
b. turnaround or smilar, ex.: tonal center starts at ii moves via V in natural progression to I
c. subsequent arpreggios

4. lick works over a chord
a. change the underlying chord, keep the pitches of the lick the same: completely different feel (tonal center changes)
b. diatonic shift allows you to play it over another chord in the same scale, pitches change but more importantly relative intervals within the lick change,
c. parallel shift over the same chord means it takes on a completely different feel (pitches change but relative intervals within the lick remain the same)
d. pedal point, lick moves diatonic (b) or parallel (c).

There must be more ways to look at it (I'm sure someone with more background in music theory could expand), but one thing is for sure: it's not as simple as "this lick is in C".

1. Emphasises the feel, atmosphere or colour of the chord.
2. Mostly melody,
-could imply feel (especially with modal or exotic licks)
-could imply a circular progression.
3. Emphasises melody.
4. Emphasis on harmonies.
Way to make a simple one liner question as confusing and theoretically advanced as is physically possible
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Re: what does in mean when someone says " this lick is in the key of C"

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Way to make a simple one liner question as confusing and theoretically advanced as is physically possible
haha LMAO
Sorry eviltwin but this is funny
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post #15 of 63 (permalink) Old 02-23-2010, 01:36 PM
 
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Re: what does in mean when someone says " this lick is in the key of C"

Ouch! My head hurts. I think 'theory' is too loaded of a term. It can mean as many things as there are people trying to explain it. Try to keep it simple and take it a step at a time. Every one has levels, some people grasp it fast, some take a lifetime. Most types of music have repetative formulas that seem complex, but only until you realize everybody uses them. Put the books down and crank up your favorite stuff and play along.
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