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post #1 of 31 (permalink) Old 09-13-2003, 12:15 PM Thread Starter
 
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where do those notes come from?!

Let's keep this light, 'cause it has potential for Eruption (subliminal suggestion there...)

Which guitarists - that you enjoy listening to - make you think "how the heck did they choose those notes?!" I've been listening to a lot of players for a while now, and for some of them it's "playing by numbers" - I just know what they're going to play next. It's very often still a joy to listen to, let me make that perfectly clear.

And there are some players, who I just feel "this person is a clear channel for the power cosmic" ...I literally wouldn't dream up that solo or that riff in ten lifetimes.

For me the main culprit is EVH. For a time I thought I was onto him...so much has been written about him and analysed, and I was about to grab it, and then I realised - the guy is liquid, pure and simple. Shifting from one mindset to another totally different one. He makes me sick! Hey, in a good sick kinda way. I'm sure countless others also thought they were onto him.

Because...I know it's Eddie playing in a heartbeat and I know how he's going to go into a solo and come out again, and I can guarantee there'll be some tapping or something...but darn it, he's gone again!! Some of "it" is somewhat fixed, like he stays in a certain key for a time and uses some particular runs over and over...but then he'll blow that out all out of the water and do something totally out there again. Arrghhh!!

It's his live playing that continually staggers me. I've heard the same song played in ten different ways and it's mind-bending. His improvisational skills are quite breathtaking.

Steve Vai I suppose on occasion too...Touching Tongues comes to mind...where that came from I have no idea. And Eric Johnson on occasion too...without wishing to sound pompous, I can sort of follow roughly where these two geniuses are going to head in a song. Still fall in love with their music on a daily basis, mind you.

Marc Bonilla - absolutely have no idea how he does what he does, but I love it to bits.

Hendrix - how!? Why?!


I have a few others in mind, and I'll end there for now...just to see what you lot offer.

Like I said, please keep this light. And no: I can't play any of their stuff for squat, so I'm really not being a showoff!
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post #2 of 31 (permalink) Old 09-13-2003, 12:32 PM
 
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I always seemed to have that problem with Jimmy Page...
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You guyz have to take into account, EVH, and Vai, do not
use a back-up guitarist (in a vocal band situation). I like covering
VH songs because of the versatility within the chorus sections of
songs. I have always said that Vai, and EVH, are most similar
when playing in a band. Compare songs like "Best of Both Worlds"
to "Yankee Rose" Those rythmns they play are most complementary
what is going on lyrically.
BUT, their solo worlds are far apart
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If I may tread on incredibly thin ground for but a moment...


I heard five different versions of SSV playing on the Ultra Zone tour, and each night was virtually identical.

I heard EVH doing the same song on ten different nights and they were incredibly different and loose. The solo on "5150" on the Live without a Net video melted me utterly...

Love 'em both! For oh so many reasons.
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eddie van halen seems to me at least to have a totally different approach than any of the other guitar greats. He seems to go with what his head and hands feel are instinctivly right, where people like Satch and Eric Johnson seem more calculated in their approach. Steve Vai seems to avoid this by doing more 'weird' stuff. For feel and attitude i really don't think EVH can be matched.
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eddie van halen seems to me at least to have a totally different approach than any of the other guitar greats. He seems to go with what his head and hands feel are instinctivly right, where people like Satch and Eric Johnson seem more calculated in their approach. Steve Vai seems to avoid this by doing more 'weird' stuff. For feel and attitude i really don't think EVH can be matched.
Agree 100% , If we are talking feel, improv skills, and attitude.....then why does this thread exist?? No one we could list is in the same building with EVH.
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post #8 of 31 (permalink) Old 09-14-2003, 04:49 AM
 
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Reeves Gabrels' solo at the end of "A Small Plot Of Land" from David Bowie's "Outside" album. The notes sound so unnatural and alien but their peformance sounds so natural and fluid.
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Pedro Andrea,

but then the guy can be really hot and cold.
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post #10 of 31 (permalink) Old 09-14-2003, 11:20 PM
 
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That's cuz EVH was so drunk every night, he couldn't remember the solo.
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post #11 of 31 (permalink) Old 09-15-2003, 04:52 AM
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Dave Gilmour and The Edge

They come up with stuff that even though sounds simple and can be played without any problem it's something that I personally would never come up with.
.........eerie comes to mind..............

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That's cuz EVH was so drunk every night, he couldn't remember the solo.
That made me laugh, but it's probably true!!

I guess the phrase "the guy is liquid" is probably more literal than poetic.


Still: complete genius.
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post #14 of 31 (permalink) Old 10-01-2003, 07:02 AM Thread Starter
 
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I just saw EVH's performance on the Les Paul Tribute, where he did a cathedral/hot for teacher jam.

Some hours later I picked myself off the floor.


Nothing technically out of the ordinary; just amazing feel and liquidity.


With so many guitarists, it's like "hey look! it's the two handed tapping bit now!" - but my word: I don't where Eddie ends and the guitar begins.


Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful.
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Well, the one solo that's coming to mind that made me go WFT was THAT is the beginning of Neil Zaza's lead break on "Zen, Karma, and Other Good Things." It's this big, anthemic sort of song, then there's this sort of drum flourish like the tune's catching it's breath, then BAM, there's this ascencing cadenza that, near as i can tell, sounds like trilled pinch harmonics rising wildly up and back down the neck. It's ridiculous.

Another guy who never fails to make my jaw drop is Guitar War's Vibetronic. He's gotta get a solo CD out... The closest compositional analogy i can draw is really early Vai with sharper dynamics- He'll be playing the sweet, melodic, "Vibe-like" (idunno... his melodies always sound distinctly like himself, it's tough to describe) passage and then suddenly burst into this tapped/swept/legato frenzy, then all of a sudden drop back... It's almost funny, the way he jumps between melody and extreme (and I do mean extreme- the guy's one of the most advanced technicians I've heard anywhere) technique. I couldn't listen to it all day, but i could definately listen to it for the duration of an entire CD...

Also gotta give it up to the guy who took the lead break on Sarah McLachlan's "Witness." Actually, the guitar on that whole track... Pierre Marchand, according to the liner notes. It's basically just string noise, the occasional seemingly random notes, and delay, but it's SO cool. It's the texture of a guitar, and the feel of a guitar solo, but with very little of what's recognizable as either... Which is, as far as I'm concerned virtuosity of an entirely other sort. Strange as it seems, that lead has always been a huge influence on how i concieve of guitar as a textural instrument.

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