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post #31 of 83 (permalink) Old 02-13-2008, 08:27 AM
 
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Hmmm, I don't see what the fuss is about that guy/band. Yeah they are different, but he isn't ground breaking.

I don't find him inspiring at all.


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I suppose I was looking at the guitar hero question, I'm sure there are more technically adept guitarists out there, but here's one guy who plays the guitar in a band context (rather than bedroom!) plays some more challenging material, poses properly like any guitar hero should (even uses custom guitars), and finally, doesn't just play rhythm guitar on some beat-up 335 like just about everyone else does at the moment in popular music!
For the record, I quite like Muse but they're not my faves, my own tastes are Queen, Rush, Van Halen, Vai, Satriani etc. I see few guitarists in pop bands these days doing more than standing still pouting in front of their Mershall/Orange/Vox amp!!
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I don't think it's a fair statement to say they haven't grown. I don't think anyone grows or improves...as a player
Clapton hasn't grown as a player, he's grown as a songwriter though which has changed his approach towards playing

Al Dimeola, George Benson and Lee Ritenour haven't grown as players either. All of their approaches have been altered as new phases pass through their cosciousness...
Al had that flamenco phase which was a complete change from his fusion stuff
George is a fantastic singer so that plays a big part in what he does and doesn't do
Lee went from danceable groove to spanish inflected ballady stuff, His arrangement sensibility grew quite a bit

Vai approached things differently with the new orchestral cd

Same with Holdsworth and Gambale I don't think they've improved at all...

Just my opinion...
This is the most bizarre opinion I have read on this board so far. You think we don't grow and improve? We reach a certain point as musicians and never get better? WTF!!? Really strange. I give up on this thread already.
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I think Michael Amott of arch enemy is a new guitar hero his playing is very unique for metal and really good.

I also think Kiko Loureiro should be considered, but his band is virtually unknown in the states.

But I can't think of too many that in my estimation are guitar heros. Some amazing players but no one really, really unique and ground breaking.
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This is the most bizarre opinion I have read on this board so far. You think we don't grow and improve? We reach a certain point as musicians and never get better? WTF!!? Really strange. I give up on this thread already.
You tell me how we become better once we're at Vai/Dimeola level?

Once you master 64th notes, memorize your scales and modes, and the ability to play in time melodically...where do you go?

Mastering other styles doesn't make you better, it expands your repertoire. and makes you more well rounded IMHO.

Learning the craft of songwriting/arrangement doesn't make you a better player, does it? Or does it expand your repetoire?

There aren't metal modes vs jazz modes or scales. There are just modes. Some lend themselves better to certain styles but there is no rule with which we live by is there?

Andres Segovia was considered the best, but he couldn't use a tremelo. If he had included the electric guitar and a mastery of New Wave would he have been considered a better player, or just more well rounded? I don't think him playing Captain Fingers from Ritenour would've made him a better player do you?

Makita drills don't make you a better player, do they?

Playing with your teeth?
Setting the guitar on fire?
Playing with a violin bow?
Flipping the guitar around your neck?
Is chicken pickin' making Vai any better, or just more well rounded?

Maybe I do have bizarre opinions, but what do you do to improve when you are at those levels??
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http://www.guitarheroes.fi/

And that's just Finland!
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I think (IMHO) Buckethead has the persona, the attitude and the chops to be one of the today's giutar heros. He's a hell of a poser (starting from his hat) and an ever better player: from performing late Lane's " One note at a time" to constant collaborations with other artists and acts... well, hats off to Buckethead (No sir, we don't wear those buckets as you do . Should we wear them to improve our playing..?)
I think Buckethead sucks. Sorry. He is no hero in any way. I could never look up to someone who wears a KFC hat... Also technically he is a perfect player but everything I listen to that he played has no feel and warmth at all. Yes technically it is perfect and complex music, but there is no feeling whatsoever.

I agree that Kiko Loureiro is absolutely awesome. Due to kotornut mentioning him in one of my threads I listened to his album and his band and have to say this guy really rocks.

But to me Satch and Vai are still the real heroes. Vai still can play complex music and make it feel alive and warm. (He has the edge in feeling that buckethead is missing.)
Satch to me has become the bigger hero lately as he is stepping back from showing off his shredding skills, to write real fun and enjoy music. Everyone knows he can be real fast, so now he concentrates on the composition part and that I really love. His new albums are awesome.
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I think Buckethead sucks. Sorry. He is no hero in any way. I could never look up to someone who wears a KFC hat... Also technically he is a perfect player but everything I listen to that he played has no feel and warmth at all. Yes technically it is perfect and complex music, but there is no feeling whatsoever.

Agreed. His, despite the KFC, music doesn't sound good to me.
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But to me Satch and Vai are still the real heroes. Vai still can play complex music and make it feel alive and warm. (He has the edge in feeling that buckethead is missing.)
May I just point out that the game Guitar Hero - designed to appeal to kids - has featured neither Satch nor Vai. But it has featured that dude with the KFC bucket. If he wasn't a well renound master of guitar (i.e. 'Guitar Hero') among kids before, then he certainly is now. Satch or Vai? Not so much.

Not that I'm saying that being featured on a crude computer game simulation of guitar should be any bearing on a player's guitar hero status. But, unfortunately, it is.

Ask most kids who Satch or Vai is and you'll get a blank expression. Ask them who buckethead is, and they'll probably tell you he's the 'best' guitarist they know.

Unfortunately more mature opinions count for nothing towards who is a deserving guitar hero. But then, IMO buckethead deserves all the fame he's got. Nobody out there is doing what he is and certainly, nobody ever will again!
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Ask most kids who Satch or Vai is and you'll get a blank expression. Ask them who buckethead is, and they'll probably tell you he's the 'best' guitarist they know.
That's not true kids know none of them. Buckethead included. I'm sorry, when has Buckethaed had any comercial success what so ever. What's he known for?

I think guitar hero isn't a good example either since most of the song have our guitar heros in them like EVH, Eric Clapton and so on, classic rock and early metal.

ALso, the fact that Satch and Vai aren't in it says nothing about thier popularity that is definite. It could be a rights and publishing thing. It could be that Gibson sponsers Guitar hero and Ibanez sponsers Rock band. You just don't know yet. I mean there is a lot of good guitar songs out there they haven't used yet. DOes that mean those song/players aren't popular or heroes?


In my profession I meet litterally about 100 people a week and we talk about music a lot (I'm a language teacher). None of them know Paul Gilbert, Marty Friedman, Satch, Vai, Buckethead. And Marty and Paul were on TV weekly in Japan for a few years. The average person has no knowlege of guitar heros even the average kid guitar player.

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That's not true kids know none of them. Buckethead included. I'm sorry, when has Buckethaed had any comercial success what so ever. What's he known for?

I think guitar hero isn't a good example either since most of the song have our guitar heros in them like EVH, Eric Clapton and so on, classic rock and early metal.

ALso, the fact that Satch and Vai aren't in it says nothing about thier popularity that is definite. It could be a rights and publishing thing. It could be that Gibson sponsers Guitar hero and Ibanez sponsers Rock band. You just don't know yet. I mean there is a lot of good guitar songs out there they haven't used yet. DOes that mean those song/players aren't popular or heroes?


In my profession I meet litterally about 100 people a week and we talk about music a lot (I'm a language teacher). None of them know Paul Gilbert, Marty Friedman, Satch, Vai, Buckethead. And Marty and Paul were on TV weekly in Japan for a few years. The average person has no knowlege of guitar heros even the average kid guitar player.
In my profession (a full time student!) I can tell you that everyone (non guitar player or otherwise) who owns a copy of guitar hero II knows who Buckethead is. And a huge proportion of the people I know have played/own Guitar Hero.

When has Buckethead had commercial success? Didn't I just answer that question? He's done all kinds of things that have been successful for him, he is a very well known player.

Yep, Guitar Hero has the early ones too. And they are well known among kids as well. The OP asked who are TODAYS guitar heroes. My answer was with reference to the EXTREMELY popular game "Guitar hero". I think that's a pretty good reference to be honest.

The reasons for why they are on the game are irrelevent. The fact is they are on the game and are getting heard by kids. If Vai was on the game then by all means, he'd probably be more well known among kids too. But he isn't. And that's just how it is. Vai isn't popular at all among kids. Get over it.

If you can back up your claims that kids know 'none of them' I'll go find some sales figures for guitar hero I, II, or III. It kills me that I'm using that as an example because it just shows the state of the music industry today. But it's the truth. As far as the 'mainstream' goes, this game is dictating what guitarists these kids are looking up to.

If you want to look for modern guitar heroes you really have to do it yourself. There's TONS of cool players out there, especially on the metal scene. I could name you a dozen insane players that have popped up in the past 10 years. Of course, none of them could be considered 'guitar heroes' on any grand scale because the industry is more fragmented these days. They are heroes within their own cliques, if you get what I mean.
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If you want to look for modern guitar heroes you really have to do it yourself. There's TONS of cool players out there, especially on the metal scene. I could name you a dozen insane players that have popped up in the past 10 years. Of course, none of them could be considered 'guitar heroes' on any grand scale because the industry is more fragmented these days. They are heroes within their own cliques, if you get what I mean.
Maybe, I'm taking this the wrong way, but I never said Vai and Satch were current gutiar heroes. And I have previously named modern guitar heroes. I just don't think Guitar Hero constitues a reason for Vai and Satch being unknow. My problem was with your evidence, not with your point.

But, just 'cause I can't leave it alone, if your theory is correct then Tenacious D are guitar heroes. They're on Guitar Hero.

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Guitar heroes don't necessarily need to be technically proficient. They need to inspire in a heroic manner, those that are the musical recipient.

Tom DeLonge, and Billi Jo Armstrong were as much heroes to those that picked up the guitar because they were inspired to do so as Paul Stanley and Ace Frehley were to me at one point. I hate Aces' playing today, fact is I probably wouldn't have picked up a guitar without him though...
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oh my god...who is!?
Me! But those darn smoothies are hard to come by !

( seriously,.. vai didn't do that ??!! )
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Wow Satch and Vai are even more heroes to me for NOT being in the guitar hero game. If you need to sink that low, like KFC buddy, to get into a ****ty game to be famous.... Then you deserve to get loughed at by anyone. I can imagine though that for the game to have an idiot player stand out it makes total sense, I agree that any 6 year old prolly loughs their had off about Buckethead.

To quote Vai: Why be a Popstar when I can do this? -> "Plays Building the Church".

If you are such a sucker about how well known a guitarist is, then Richie Sambora, Jeff Beck, Clapton, Hetfield etc. should be your heroes. IMHO none of them comes close to the virtuosity of Satch or Vai, but to the average American anyone of them is more known than Satch or Vai. (Not that any of them is bad, on the contrary I like some of them a lot, but they are not my heroes.)
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I'm with the guy who said nobody passed the torch yet.
There are good players today, players that haven't been in the spotlight for long... but let's face it, the era of the guitar hero is long gone.
In the 60s, 70s and 80s people really looked up to guitar players. Most of the music of that era was possible only because of a particular player in a particular band. The guitarist often had a sort of frontman-status, and defined the sound (think eg Hendrix, Clapton, Van Halen, Malmsteen).
These days most popular rock/metal music is very generic. I don't even know the names of a lot of guitar players of rock/metal bands today...

I would say that Slash was the last guitar hero. And with that I mean Slash in the GnR-times. He was unique, instantly identifiable, and defined the sound of GnR for a big part. Perhaps not the greatest guitar player that ever lived, but he certainly was above average, and was doing something that nobody else did at the time, and had a truly iconic appearance.
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