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post #1576 of 1601 (permalink) Old 02-20-2021, 06:33 AM
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@bob493 ,

Thanks for posting these up, it would be a great help to anyone here who is thinking about buying a JEM, if you could post up to confirm which ones are fake and what are the giveaways. There's clearly a lot of work gone into putting the documents together, but at the momenst they cast doubt, but don't alsways give the full answer as to what is right and what is wrong with the comments as they stand.

A good example is with the back of the Green and Yellow anniversary JEMs you show exactly what we ned to look out for, but the JPMs (which aren't my cup of tea), I can't tell!

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I admittedly wanted you guys to bake your noodles a little bit. At least raise an eyebrow or whatever lol. But yes of course ->

Starting with the binding, the fake binding is on the right.

It comes from this picture -> Real guitar on the left, Fake on the right. Same with the fretboard pictures. I think that one is absolutely bonkers.


Next up is the LNG. The one on the right is the "real" one. I used the stock image from this site. https://www.studiogears.com/ibanez-s...ness-green.htm

The good news about that particular LNG thing, is those are AANJ; so an incredibly obvious and immediate giveaway; but there is some funky stuff goin on over there


Its actually incredibly strange; the colored JEM bodies (LNG, DY, SK, etc) I have no freaking clue how you'd be able to tell if they were real if they were painted white. I imagine this has something to do with JEM Jr's; but that wouldnt explain the actual color variants (i.e. JEM jr's are painted all one color, these have proper color schemes; i.e. DY lion claw is SK, SK lion claw is LNG, and the fact LNG exists at all in this form). As it stands they are the same shape and contour of legitimate JEM bodies. Back plates are proper, handle is spot on, neck holes where they should be...




And finally for the moment jono has waited for with baited breath... You'll understand IMMEDIATELY why I blocked out the bits I did, because its stupid obvious otherwise. That said, I did notice while coloring in the neck humbucker, the neck on the "real" jpm is flush up against the neck humbucker; on the fake its got some distance. Camera angles are near identical, so I dont imagine thats an "angle" thing.


But anyway ->


lemme know if anyone has any questions or whatever
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Hmm, pickup spacing seems to be one of those areas worth looking at. The fakes differ from the real ones in this area at times - certainly with the JPM above, the bridge pu is also a bit closer to the neck, and the 10th too.

You're right about the vine inlay on the fake 10th. It's hard to tell in those pics, but I wonder if neck binding dimensions would be another area where it would be possible to make a distinction.
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Hmm, pickup spacing seems to be one of those areas worth looking at. The fakes differ from the real ones in this area at times - certainly with the JPM above, the bridge pu is also a bit closer to the neck, and the 10th too.

You're right about the vine inlay on the fake 10th. It's hard to tell in those pics, but I wonder if neck binding dimensions would be another area where it would be possible to make a distinction.
Im entirely certain that if you bust out the micrometer, you'll find note worthy differences... but who really does that? lol That said; sure plenty of fakes make you question if the makers even have working eyeballs, but some will absolutely "pass" to most everyone. I just hope people realize that fakes dont necessarily have to be "obvious" any more.

i know i know, JEM site, not PRS site but this should be a powerful example

As Ive shown already, the one on the left is the fake one... just by cursory look over, its not wrong.



If you take a moment and look at some details it becomes more and more glaringly obvious that its fake. Theres a LOT of quality issues with it, albeit less noticeable ones.


Then people thing pieces of paper mean the guitar is real or a signature is real just because it looks the same ...

This is actually one of the more "obvious" ones Ive seen. The tuners are completely wrong and they wrote "USA ONLY" for some reason? (If thats a "thing" lemme know, I'm not a super big PRS guy)




But I think I've figured out something, but I want to make sure Im right first. Should be a fool proof way to at least exclude a guitar.

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oh yeah, someone mentioned never seeing a fake with a maple stripe inlay... well here you go


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The USA thing is to do with CITES and the fun to be had with shipping rosewood I believe. I thinks the Brazilian stuff, but like you I’m not a huge PRS guy so I could be wrong.
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Hi everyone,


Has anyone here ever seen a UV777PBK with a really bright coloured rosewood fingerboard?


Or is this a definite sign of a fake?


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UV777PBK fingerboard,

It is actually this colour in video also:
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Thats fine. Wood is wood and no 2 pieces are alike. Quick google came up with these


and this is ibanez's own stock image of one.

edit : thanks google.. -.- plenty fo examples though...

Would need a few more pictures to go on to make assessments of that nature.
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Thats fine. Wood is wood and no 2 pieces are alike. Quick google came up with these


and this is ibanez's own stock image of one.

edit : thanks google.. -.- plenty fo examples though...

Would need a few more pictures to go on to make assessments of that nature.





Thanks bob493


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Wellp.... after talking over some things with Rich and getting his feedback and opinion on things.... I feel like I should bring this up. Since I cant make my own topic about it, heres fine. ...
Good post bob, I learned stuff I didn't know about the current state of counterfeiting since our last debate. Really scary development
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Regarding lighter coloured fingerboards, since manufacturers (including Ibanez) have been implementing rosewood alternatives over the past few years, I don't think we can use that as a certain criterion for marking out a fake. That is a very light board, though! If it weren't for the open pores, you'd be forgiven for thinking it's lightly baked maple.
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Thanks bob493


Here are some more photos:
Looks good to me, I would just verify the serial number, and should be good to go.
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Regarding lighter coloured fingerboards, since manufacturers (including Ibanez) have been implementing rosewood alternatives over the past few years, I don't think we can use that as a certain criterion for marking out a fake. That is a very light board, though! If it weren't for the open pores, you'd be forgiven for thinking it's lightly baked maple.

Yeah, this UV is from 2001 so that's why I thought it had was an already light rosewood but seriously deydrated.


I know, I thought the same thing too regarding maple, it's crazy.
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Looks good to me, I would just verify the serial number, and should be good to go.

I've checked the serial number using online serial checker.
Here are some photos of the serial number stamp and guitar with final digits removed.

I still think the stamp itself looks as though it's from later model.

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I've checked the serial number using online serial checker.
Here are some photos of the serial number stamp and guitar with final digits removed.

I still think the stamp itself looks as though it's from later model.

Also some more photos of the guitar
Everythings good

edit : no real reason to block off serial numbers. Im *ASSuming thats "F 0 1" from what I see right?
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