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post #1 of 14 (permalink) Old 05-18-2015, 05:35 AM Thread Starter
 
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Fake or Real 540pii in Craiglist (Dallas) ?

looks to me these horns are .... fake?
http://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/msg/5009303084.html


btw, seems same seller has another "suspect"....
http://dallas.craigslist.org/mdf/msg/5005255994.html

please comment on both ...
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Re: Fake or Real 540pii in Craiglist (Dallas) ?

Fake is my guess.
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Re: Fake or Real 540pii in Craiglist (Dallas) ?

The body looks off to me. Lower horn looks too long . missing pickup ring with no holes in the body, so at the very least it has been repainted. the 24 fret pii should have a pickguard, so either the neck has been transplanted or pickup ring and pick guard holes were filled and painted. The 540p with no pickguard should have 22 frets. I'm thinking more likely it is a custom made body. I wonder if it's a real 540p neck though? Would be interesting to see pictures of the back and a serial number
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post #4 of 14 (permalink) Old 05-18-2015, 08:41 AM
 
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Re: Fake or Real 540pii in Craiglist (Dallas) ?

Real with modified lower horn,the owner is a member.
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Re: Fake or Real 540pii in Craiglist (Dallas) ?

It's not exactly the type of guitar a faker would take time to replicate. Think about it.

It makes more sense to make a fake Jem and sell it off quickly. Just like you don't see fakers making a counterfeit Fender Lead II or a Gibson Sonex, you won't easily find a fake largely unknown Ibanez.
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It's not exactly the type of guitar a faker would take time to replicate. Think about it.

It makes more sense to make a fake Jem and sell it off quickly. Just like you don't see fakers making a counterfeit Fender Lead II or a Gibson Sonex, you won't easily find a fake largely unknown Ibanez.
What if those ppl made a monster guitar and then tried to "brandify" it by passing it as x.y brand (Ibanez in this case).
I have seen "fenders" which were in fact frankecasters.
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What if those ppl made a monster guitar and then tried to "brandify" it by passing it as x.y brand (Ibanez in this case).
I have seen "fenders" which were in fact frankecasters.
Mostly the frankencasters were either purposefully or just happened to be some sort of strat type guitar. Now try and find aftermarket parts for a Jaguar or Jazzmaster then you will find the easiest thing is to just get a Fender of that model.

So many of the partscasters parts are keyed into being of the pre-CBS maple or rosewood necked strats. With the proper eye, and a headstock sticker (real Fenders of old were placed over finish of headstock), one can make a pretty believable pre-CBS strat. You can also make a pretty good frankenstrat tele model, too but other than those two you almost have to make your own body (Jaguar, Jazzmaster, Mustang, Bronco, etc).

And while almost anybody can make a fake pre-CBS strat, if you want good pickups and wiring, it won't exactly be all that cheap and then there's the aging of it which takes some time. Fender has done clever things like use a different back plate, mess with 12th fret markers, use different pots or wiring, and other things to make any of their reissues not exactly true to the original. Only a careful study of a pre-CBS Fender strat inside and out and the time to get the proper parts can get the fake job done.

If anything on that Ibanez, the bottom horn may have been modified (what looks like attempting to make higher fret access easier) and the body refinished, but at least that neck with double shark tooth inlays and Ibanez logo appear real. People do all types of mods and they can cost a lot but the cost of making a PII body from scratch and acquiring parts doesn't make it worth the effort for the asking price.
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Re: Fake or Real 540pii in Craiglist (Dallas) ?

Nate Pearl and others have been making P2 bodies for years. It could be correct neck on replacement body.

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Real with modified lower horn,the owner is a member.
How is it modified? And it must have been refinished if it was because I don't see any paint missing.
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Nate Pearl and others have been making P2 bodies for years. It could be correct neck on replacement body.
Rich,

That's cool that somebody makes a PII body. Is it something you can swap out with a run of the mill RG420/421 series or Iron Label RG and make a defacto PII for a reasonable amount? Of course with single coil in neck one could get a Chopper and then route out a hole for tone knob or disregard altogether.
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the neck has to be right spec, with correct serial number year for model if you're trying to fake one.
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Re: Fake or Real 540pii in Craiglist (Dallas) ?

I wouldn't want to fake one to fake anybody out, but I just like that PII replacement body and think it's a nice alternative to the more popular RG style. I wish Ibanez kept up with this model.
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Re: Fake or Real 540pii in Craiglist (Dallas) ?

As stated the seller is a member here. According to the seller it is a real p2 neck, with locking nut crack repair. The body is a Sims replacement body with the lower horn altered to allow easier access to the upper frets. The paint was a quicky job.
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Re: Fake or Real 540pii in Craiglist (Dallas) ?

The it's not a real P2
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Re: Fake or Real 540pii in Craiglist (Dallas) ?

If you've ever played a PII you know it's basically a 17 fret instrument with the way the lower horn is

And to answer the other question: no, you cannot modify any other body and turn it into a PII. It's a total oddball.
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