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post #1 of 15 (permalink) Old 01-22-2003, 03:16 PM Thread Starter
 
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I think I'm about ready to be going with a good tube 212 combo as opposed to the half stack rig. Mostly because Ill be majoring in jazz studies here at SWT. Im thinking about a mesa heartbreaker 212 combo. I need a good clean for some bebop and swing tunes...but the gain channel has to be good too for the lead tones. I dont need a metallic crunch anymore. Mostly just a good deep clean tone and thick smooth lead tone. Im thinking a mark iv head and 212 cab would be good as well. Any recs?
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I have two 2x12 combos. I mainly bought them for the transporting ease. I got tired of moving cabs. I have a 60 watt 5150 combo for which I would not recommend for your use. I also have a Carvin Legacy combo. The clean ch. is GREAT. The lead is also great. Some say it needs more gain, but it is enough for me. The Carvin combo is 100 watts the same as the stand alone head. If u find yourself needing cabs you may add on to the cab with an extension 2x12 or with 4x12s. The Rivera combos also rock. I am not that well versed on Mesas.
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That's another reason I want a combo, ease of moving it around. Especially for practice. I had a legacy I traded for my speed twin head. It's ok...but I need something less bassy. It's got a lot of balls but too bassy for me...even through a 5150 412.
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you'll probably have an easier time transporting a 2x12 cab and small head than a bulky 2x12 combo (ala the legacy or 5150) but that is just an idea to consider. Get an open back cab to remove the bass overkill.. glen
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For jazz, an even smaller amp than a 2X12 should be considered. I'm using a Peavey Prowler 1X12 (45 watt tube), and its plenty loud for the large auditorium, without a mic. It has a good clean channel and a realy good crunch channel as well.
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You may want to check out some companies that you wouldn't normally go to as well. Since you're not looking for metal tones a Mesa may not be what you want, you may want to try even Fender, Marshall, Matchless (if you can find one), Rivera, etc.
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post #7 of 15 (permalink) Old 01-23-2003, 12:10 AM
 
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I know you said you were looking at tube combos, but give Line6 a try. I *love* the versatility of my Flextone II XL 2x12 combo. I find it works well in my blues group, and the clean tones are *very* nice.

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Oh man the mesa tremoverb 2X12 sounds awesome!!! It's quite heavy though (100 Lbs) and the clean kills. That would be by far the combo of my dream. Someone was selling one through the forum here a while aga and I would have loved to buy it from him.

Gonna have to waitt till the end of summer for an amp.

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post #9 of 15 (permalink) Old 01-23-2003, 07:21 PM
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FWIW, I would suggest a head and 2-12 cabinet. 2-12 combos can get quite heavy, I find it easier to move 2 separate pieces, even if it just means carrying the cab in one hand and the head in the other.
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If you get a chance try the Legacy...it sounds great with my VSBL and PRS HBII (great jazz tones)...to save my back, I took my combo apart to make a head/cab...if I change my mind later, I can have the combo back. The open/closed back option really helps get good sounds in different rooms/clubs/outdoors.
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For jazz, an even smaller amp than a 2X12 should be considered. I'm using a Peavey Prowler 1X12 (45 watt tube), and its plenty loud for the large auditorium, without a mic. It has a good clean channel and a realy good crunch channel as well.
I'll vouch for the Prowler, also. Great little amp especially with a $50 retube to get rid of the stock Rubys. Amazing punch, clean or crunch, from a small package.
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If you can get by with 2 channels, try the Legacy. It has a very distinct clean channel that warms up very nicely for jazz, and the lead channel sings. I used my Legacy for a years worth of jazz gigs and really liked it.

If you want to step up to 3 channels, I'd recommend the Mark IV. It'll require a lot of tweaking, but the sheer number of options available (full/tweed, pentode/triode, class A/simulclass, switchable EQ) virtually guarantee you'll be able to find the tones you're looking for. I haven't had a jazz gig since I got the Mark IV, but I'll take it to our Feb. rehearsal and give it a good run there.

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post #13 of 15 (permalink) Old 01-27-2003, 06:55 AM
 
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Fender Twin..... A company called Bedrock makes some nice 2X12 combos. Excellent clean tone, and pretty damn good distortion.
If clean tone is your main concern I would suggest you try a Roland Jazz Chorus 120. It is solid state, but it has one of the best clean tones available period.
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2x12 combos are a bitch to haul around, that's for sure. My next setup will either be a head/2x12 cab or a 1x12 combo.
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yeah, 212's are a bitch to carry around, but if somebody tried to silently, not to mention quickly run off with it from my dorm room it'd be funny to watch. Hey, im looking on one good aspect of it. Especially a tremoverb combo, lol. Unscrew the handle on top and see how far someone gets with it..lol.
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