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post #1 of 13 (permalink) Old 09-20-2003, 05:57 PM Thread Starter
 
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2X12 or 4X12???

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I'm preparing to buy my next guitar rig... My faithful Line 6 AX212 just isn't loud enough and lacks the 'cut' to keep up with my band live, i'm afraid. I play lead and rhythm in a heavy prog metal band. I'm thinking of either getting an ADA MP-1 or some type of Rocktron preamp and running it though a Peavey Classic 50/50 power amp. So, my next issue is what kind of cab to run it through! What are the advantages of having a 4X12 cab instead of a 2X12? The other guitarist in the band uses a 5150 combo with 2 12's in it, and it's freaking loud!!! I'd like to have a 2X12 just because it would be easier to lug around from home to pracitce/gigs than a 4X12, but i won't get a 2X12 if it won't be loud enough to handle gigs. Any reccomendations? I'm looking to spend around $200 on a cab { preferably less! } and i don't mind hitting [email protected] for used gear. Thanks for the help!
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post #2 of 13 (permalink) Old 09-20-2003, 07:44 PM
 
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As u mentioned, the 2x12 is easier to carry, but the 4x12 fattens the sound, and u will enjoy it!
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post #3 of 13 (permalink) Old 09-20-2003, 08:06 PM
 
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Get 2 2x12s...problem solved (with stereo sound! )
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Originally Posted by JEMavenger
Get 2 2x12s...problem solved (with stereo sound! )
cool idea, but still the guitar cant breathe in a 2x12!
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Originally Posted by JEMavenger
Get 2 2x12s...problem solved (with stereo sound! )
cool idea, but still the guitar cant breathe in a 2x12!
Well, I've never compared a 4x12 with a 2x12 side by side, but my response was at least logical.
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post #6 of 13 (permalink) Old 09-21-2003, 09:34 AM
 
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well the 4 x 12 will make your pants flap...

thats got to be good for something
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post #7 of 13 (permalink) Old 09-21-2003, 10:48 AM Thread Starter
 
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It just seems like an awful lot of 4x12's that i've heard lack bottom end and bottom out quite a bit, whereas wih 2x12's, i've not heard that problem much.. any comments? Also, would a 4x12 be louder? If so, how much louder? Would i still be able to gig with a 2x12?
thanks for all of your help!
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post #8 of 13 (permalink) Old 09-21-2003, 11:37 AM
 
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Depending on what type of 2X12 you get, and where your playing.

I would say that unless your playings areana's to pretty large venues/clubs, you won't need a 4X12.

Also I've heard some cabs like Mesa Recto 2X12's, and G-Flex cabs, will blow AWAY most 4X12's. Except for the Recto 4X12 which seems to me is the most widely used cab anywhere and everywhere. I see people running ALL kinds of heads, marshalls, mesas, peaveys, into a Recto 4X12.
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post #9 of 13 (permalink) Old 09-21-2003, 12:35 PM
 
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I have a G-Flex 212 powered by a Peavey Classic 50/50 power amp, and it will make my pants flap with the volume on 5.

The only drawback is that with the 212 sitting on the floor, it's aimed at my shins, so i need to stand on the opposite side of the room to really hear it well. My next purchase is going to be an amp stand of some sort.

I went through this debate a few months ago and was considering buying a Behringer UltraStack 412 stereo cab, but ultimately decided that a 412 was just too much to store and transport, given the frequency and size of the gigs my band plays. I considered a Mesa Rectifier 212 cab, but ultimately went for the stereo capability and ported enclosure of the Genz Benz, despite not having the opportunity to play one first.

A well-engineered 212 will push a ton of air and still be more portable than a 412. Look at Mesa, Genz Benz and Doyle for top-notch 212 cabs. I hear the Carvin Legacy 212 cabs aren't bad for the price, too.
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I say get a Genz Benz 2x12 G-Flex cab used. That is my next cab purchase (I have a customized 4x12 w/ Carvin Vintage 100wtt spk wired mono/stereo and a Custom Peavey Wiggy 2x12 - it looks soo cool!). I would also recommend a Peavey XXX 2x12 cab or for even less $ a Peavey XXL 2x12 is a monster cab. Check the auctions for other 2x12 cabs - Marshall 1936, Carvins and whatever. If you can get something with good speakers in it- all the better. If not, you can always replace the spks - so make sure the cab is a well built one. Good luck!
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I agree. A 2x12 will definitely be loud enough for pretty much any gig you'd need it for. I have a Mesa vertical 2x12, and it blows away my friends' 4x12 cabs. I'd recommend looking at a Mesa cab or a Genz Benz G-Flex.
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post #12 of 13 (permalink) Old 09-22-2003, 01:40 AM Thread Starter
 
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Thanks for all the help guys! Looks like i'll be going the 2x12 route for sure! So, how much much would a G-Flex cab go for used? Anybody ever used ADA's cabs? They usually go for pretty cheap, plus i'm debating about getting an MP-1, so i assume they would pair up well together.
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post #13 of 13 (permalink) Old 09-22-2003, 08:37 AM
 
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Typically, you can find new G-Flex cabs for around US$400 on eBay.

I got mine for around that price, with shipping. It was new, but a "scratch & dent" floor model.

They're really solid cabs, and the stereo/mono wiring is a unique and very useful feature, especially if you've got a stereo power amp that can be bridged into mono (like the Peavey Classic 50/50) if you need more power.
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