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post #1 of 49 (permalink) Old 07-04-2007, 10:28 AM Thread Starter
 
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2x12 vs 4x12

i am trying decide what cabinet to go for for my ashdown FA60. i don't know wether to look for a 2x12 or a 4x12. i am looking for some pros and cons, maybe some sugestions.

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Re: 2x12 vs 4x12

4x12 = more bass, more "spread", sounds louder, looks cooler

2x12 = easier to move around, less power handling so watch your speakers and head output

I have one of each to use depending on gig size.
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I just sold my 412 because it was too dman big and heavy to be carrying around, and it was more than I needed for anything. I realized when I was playing out using my 15 watt Fender combo that I had no use for a 412 other than to look cool and break my back. A 412 will move more air and sound bigger, but I'm happy with my 212.
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You'd be mad to get a 4x12 unless actually need it.

My ENGL 2x12 rocks, plenty loud, loads of bottom end, and I can carry it around with one hand & my head in the other. Recommend them highly, and they're pretty affordable in Europe.
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Re: 2x12 vs 4x12

thats what i wanted to hear, thanks.
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you could buy two 2x12's and stack them when you feel the need,, that'd look pretty cool too!!
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4x12's have more bass and sound bigger, as Cid said. Although they aren't really needed for small gigs, I still use mine for the aforementioned reasons. I absolutely hate it when guys try to play metal at a medium sized venue with a combo or 2x12. The sound just doesn't cut it for me. However, I really need to get a 2x12 for practices.
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4x12's have more bass and sound bigger, as Cid said. Although they aren't really needed for small gigs, I still use mine for the aforementioned reasons. I absolutely hate it when guys try to play metal at a medium sized venue with a combo or 2x12. The sound just doesn't cut it for me. However, I really need to get a 2x12 for practices.
I'm assuming you aren't miking the amp and you are also not using in-ear monitors after reading that statement.....
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My old legacy 2x12 was brutal, cranked 100w from a legacy head into it and it took it great, crazy sternum rattling low end too from my other 80 watt power amp.
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I'm assuming you aren't miking the amp and you are also not using in-ear monitors after reading that statement.....
Yes, the amp is miced. No in ear monitors though.

You can't expect to completely make up for the lost bass by EQing it on the PA.
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You don't want a lot of bass in the guitar sound anyways though right? That's what the actual bass is there for.
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The bass you hear is more from the big woody cab itself. The mic, which is usually an SM57 is pointed and the speaker, not the cab. Most, no all guys mic one speaker. There are plenty of guitar players using 2 different mics on 2 speakers. It's a nice way to go. But that could still be achieved with a 2x12. I've done enough big gigs, and been back stage at plenty of full blown concerts. The guitar player rarely, if ever hears his amp live. I can't remember at time when I saw a guitar player listening to his amp. Most all pros and semi pro/regional players use in-ears, and even for clubs, you should count on a good monitor mix. Now with that said. I don't think you'll catch Satch Petrucci or Vai with less that 12 speakers behind them. Several of them mic'd. When you are the main instrument as they are, and you want HUGE big sound, then by all means, that works. But for the average professional to club guys. One speaker with one mic on it is all you need. As long as you are sending rippin tone to the speaker, then you're good to go.
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I say go 2x12 unless you get two 4x12s (which looks freaking awesome). It's lighter, and it'll still give you a pretty decent sound while being easier to carry around.
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You don't want a lot of bass in the guitar sound anyways though right? That's what the actual bass is there for.
you still want the speakers to thump a bit when palm muting and don't forget about the 7 string players.
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A high quality, well designed 2x12 cabinet should really give as much bass as a 4x12 - in fact having had a poke with a H&K TriAmp through a Celestion branded 2x12 box, I'd be inclined to say if the manufacturer has done their job wel, maybe even more. What you won't get is quite the spread of a 4x12 cab - it's worth remembering that the first 4x12 cabs were made by Marshall simply because they could only get a 25 watt speaker, hence to match the first 100watt plexi heads, they needed 4 speakers in a big box!
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