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post #1 of 13 (permalink) Old 09-23-2003, 05:38 AM Thread Starter
 
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50w & 100w In The Same Band? Possible?

a friend of mine is gonna buy a 50w JCM800, he plays in a band with another guitar player which has got a 100w ENGL Blackmore sig, so the question is:

will his 50w amp be 'covered' in volume by the other guy's 100w amp? or do watts have nothing to do with volume?


sorry for my dumb question, but i'm not an amp kind of guy.
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In one band I've been playing with I use my Line6 Flextone II, which is 60-watts, 1x12 combo, and the other guy was using a Crate 120-watt something, 2x12 combo.

I drowned him out half the time
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Surpsiing as it may seem but 100 watts doesn't mean its twice the volume of a 50 watt amp...you'll get more headroom but i think the overall volume is only 3 dB louder or something...somebody shoot me in the balls if i'm completley lying here as i cant remember exactly!

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thanx guys!
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Surpsiing as it may seem but 100 watts doesn't mean its twice the volume of a 50 watt amp...you'll get more headroom but i think the overall volume is only 3 dB louder or something...somebody shoot me in the balls if i'm completley lying here as i cant remember exactly!

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Yup. And if your speakers are 3dB more efficient, you'll be just as loud maxed out (ignoring many variables here, I know).
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A 100W amp is only about 10% louder than a 50W amp, but there are other factors as well.

A 100W amp into a 1x12 speaker cabinet is going to get blown away by a 50W amp pushing a 4x12.
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engls have a lot more preamp gain, you'll need to turn the 800 up anyways so ya should be plenty loud.... if you've got enough speakers
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somebody shoot me in the balls if i'm completley lying here as i cant remember exactly!
You got lucky this time
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thanx again, guys!
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Getting an amp stand for my Avatar 2x12 cabinet sounds like a great idea! But...

1. How much bass response am I gonna lose?
2. Where in the world will the amp head go?
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How much bass response am I gonna lose?
well,
you may lose some bass by pulling the cabinet from the floor, but you will get them back by hearing your sound directly in front of you. usually, as i know, bass freqs loose alot if the speaker is not placed on front of your ears.
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How much bass response am I gonna lose?
well,
you may lose some bass by pulling the cabinet from the floor, but you will get them back by hearing your sound directly in front of you. usually, as i know, bass freqs loose alot if the speaker is not placed on front of your ears.
You lose bass by moving further from any boundary, the floor included. Want killer bass? Put the cab in a corner.

You shouldn't lose bass by not aiming the speaker at your ears. You lose treble that way, which is much more directional. You will gain some bass if the speaker is closer to your ears (of course, you gain every frequency - closer is just louder overall).
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Not a problem, there is a limit to how loud you'll want it. 50w is sweet when pushed all the way, power tube saturation without hearing loss. My ickle rivera's 60w compete fine with the 100w of a dual rectifier, and it's plenty loud enough.
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