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post #1 of 10 (permalink) Old 06-22-2011, 06:28 PM Thread Starter
 
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6505+ vs 6534+

Hello Fellows,


So, I've done my fair share of searching, and i'm not to sure of what best suits me, hopefully you guys can help. First, i know the difference between them. 6534+ has EL34's, and the 6505+ has 6L6's. Here's where you guys come in. I'm not too sure which one suits me best. I like metal ALOT, so you know, lower tunings like Drop C and B, and i like blues ALOT, so you know, like a warm clean(ish) tone. I've also heard the 6534+ has a better clean. Hopefully both of these can crank out tons of distortion when needed. Im sure the 6505+ can but im not sure about the 6534+. So anything you guys can putforward is much appreciated.

Thanks, Jake.
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post #2 of 10 (permalink) Old 06-22-2011, 06:53 PM
 
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Re: 6505+ vs 6534+

Are you able to test both out at yOur local store? That's the best thing to do, let your ears decide.

If thats not possible listen to lots of YouTube demos, etc. Get an idea of what each amp sounds like.

I prefer a Marshal flavor so the 6534 would be my preferred choice.
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Re: 6505+ vs 6534+

well i have no experience with the two, but from the guitar world review about a year back on the 6534 they made it sound heavy. Keep in mind, if you find it needs a little more, you could always have a tube screamer in front of it.
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post #4 of 10 (permalink) Old 06-23-2011, 12:23 AM
 
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Re: 6505+ vs 6534+

Personally, I'll take just about any EL34 amp over a 6L6 one any day. The low end 6L6's produce though is very nice.

Give this video a listen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWkcgRhMuwA

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There's also the KT77's that are meant to be an EL34 replacement (you'd have to set the bias of course). I'll be putting these in my JSX once my current tubes give out. They're supposedly somewhere in between an EL34 and 6L6. Here's a description from eurotubes.

"The JJ KT77 has a slightly deeper low end than the JJ E34L and they have a nice sizzle on the top end without getting brittle and the mid range harmonic structure is very complex. The clean tone is very fat and full and the when driven to saturation the crunch has more of a chunk to it. We LOVE these in Marshall DSL's, TSL's and JVM's! (See the retube kits in the online store) We also use a lot of them in Peavey XXX and JSX amps. They are also one of our fave's in Mesa Rectifier amps that can accommodate EL34's if you're after a British sound.

The impedance of these tubes more closely matches a 6L6GC and is higher than the impedance of an EL34 so if you have a specific application which is an EL34 only circuit please contact us about using them."

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post #5 of 10 (permalink) Old 06-23-2011, 01:25 PM Thread Starter
 
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Re: 6505+ vs 6534+

I'm not a huge fan of Marshalls, and I understand the El34's give more of a warm British tone, correct? I just want i nice range amp, but i really want a metal amp. but can deal with other genre if i'm in the mood for them.
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Re: 6505+ vs 6534+

i would go for the 6505+ for metal, fantastic metal tone !.
but if you can get hold of the 6505 or the 5150 is even better imo.
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Re: 6505+ vs 6534+

If you're wanting something that can do metal but also a nice bluesy crunch a JVM would suit you really well, if not a Blackstar S1.
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Re: 6505+ vs 6534+

i have a different question that relates to this. whats the TONE difference between the EL34's and the 6L6's? i dont mean just american vs british tone or "ones more marshally" or anything like that. i mean the actual tone (more middy, more bassy, etc.)
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post #9 of 10 (permalink) Old 06-26-2011, 04:21 PM
 
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Re: 6505+ vs 6534+

This is a very good description from eurotubes

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#5. How will changing from 6L6's to EL34's affect my tone?

This is a very frequent question and although there is no perfect answer that fits all amps I can give you a pretty good idea what to expect. I've swapped EL34's and 6L6's around in Marshall's, Fender's, Mesa's and Peavey's as well as many other amps which will accommodate different power tubes and the results are basically the same.

EL34's in general don't have a low end that is as deep as a 6L6 so EL34's tend to sound hotter in the mids. EL34's breakup a little earlier then 6L6's and the harmonic content of the mids and highs are more prominent. These differences become more noticeable as volumes increase. You have probably heard the term "Marshall crunch" used before. This term is used to describe the sound of EL34 type tubes when they are being driven into distortion. So if you're looking for a great Classic rock tone with lots of complex mids you might want to try some EL34's if your amp allows. The JJ E34L's will crunch up real nice but they do have a deeper tighter low end than a standard EL34. If you like a big low end thump then I would either go with the JJ KT77 which has even a bigger low end than the E34L but still has the harmonic complexity of an EL34, or stick with a good 6L6 unless you have room for the JJ KT66's which have about the same low end as a good 6L6 but have more complex harmonics. Then of course if the mission is huge and your amp allows then the JJ KT88's simply sound BIG all over with a massive low end.
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post #10 of 10 (permalink) Old 06-27-2011, 08:57 AM
 
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Re: 6505+ vs 6534+

90% of the 6505+'s tone is the preamp. The power section will have an effect, but it's still a gain monster. I would worry more about getting blues tones than metal ones.

One positive for the 6534+ is that Peavey typically does a better job getting the bias range correct on it's EL34 capable amps. The stock 6505+ runs it's 6L6s very cold(like 22mA) and needs a mod(swapping a resistor) to get them up to a more correct level(mid to high 30s).
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