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post #16 of 26 (permalink) Old 04-01-2008, 11:24 PM Thread Starter
 
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Re: Amp advice please....

My bad, the pedal in question doesn't have metal in it. It's this:
http://www.seymourduncan.com/product...x04_twin_tube/


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Metal Zone is an awesome pedal, if buzzy thin distortion is your thing.
I guess that is a good way to describe it, but it was awesome back in 1991 played through a Peavey PA, Alesis Midiverb, and bull**** 4 x 12 cab.
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I guess that is a good way to describe it, but it was awesome back in 1991 played through a Peavey PA, Alesis Midiverb, and bull**** 4 x 12 cab.
Yeah it was, of course I was also 14 back then.
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My bad, the pedal in question doesn't have metal in it. It's this:
http://www.seymourduncan.com/product...x04_twin_tube/


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As long as the pedal is good for Death and Doom and has scary writing on it you cant go wrong.
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Of all the bs pedals I bought back then, that was one of the better ones.
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It was better than the Arion Metal Master, but a case of the loose stools being blasted into a cardboard box sounded better than that thing
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For all of you other normal guys reading this, the Metal Zone is not that bad of a distortion pedal.
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Maybe, but it's no Metasonix Agonizer either
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Mesa Express 5:25
Mesa Express F-50
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I'll let someone with more experience with the other brands advise you on them, but for the Mesas, pass on the express series. It's an amp I was sure I was going to love based on the spec list, but then didn't really get on with. It's an updated F-series (the F-50 is just that, not Express F-50 but merely F-50), with additional gain modes, and adjustable "contour" mid shift instead of an on/off switch, and switchable poweramp wattage, from 5 wats to 25 or 50, depending on the model. Sounds absolutely awesome, and I was sure I was going to want to sell my Nomad after playing one.

However, after A/B'ing one with an F-30, I was let down. The clean didn't gush with quite the same lushness as the F-series in any mode or poweramp configuration, and the blues/burn gain modes were a letdown. Blues would have been a nice addition to the F-series, since it has a pretty fast ramp-up on the gain knob, but even I felt like burn was under-gained, and I take a lot of crap from my guitar buddies for being practically allergic to gain.

The switchable wattage was awesome, and the 'verb wasn't bad, but I couldn't get on with the actual tone of the amp itself. It was nice for lower gain blues/rock stuff, but if that's your thing any of the Lone Stars absolutely own it, anyway.

The F-series I'd still strongly recommend, especially since these days if it isn't used (and therefore cheap) it's being cleared out (and therefore cheap). Also, the DC series is worth a look too, as these were pretty much the precursors to the F's and are a little more Mark-like, which if you're into 80's tones may be even more your thing. I like the Nomads too - I ended up impulse buying a Rectoverb that day I was demoing the Express amps, and was so blown away once I got to really open it up that I haven't played my Nomad combo since really, but I can't quite briing myself to sell it.

The Express though... I know a few guys here like them, but I'm not one of them.
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And the Metal Zone actually isn't too bad if you don't overdo the gain and scoop out the mids - not good enough to make me ditch my mids, but try putting the gain at or just below halfway, the bass and treble straight up (i think, I don't remember where I used to set them) and the mid shift and mid amount at maybe 3 o'clock and 1 o'clock, respectively.

Again, not gorgeous, but the problem with that pedal is more the people using it than the pedal itself.
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I'll let someone with more experience with the other brands advise you on them, but for the Mesas, pass on the express series. It's an amp I was sure I was going to love based on the spec list, but then didn't really get on with. It's an updated F-series (the F-50 is just that, not Express F-50 but merely F-50), with additional gain modes, and adjustable "contour" mid shift instead of an on/off switch, and switchable poweramp wattage, from 5 wats to 25 or 50, depending on the model. Sounds absolutely awesome, and I was sure I was going to want to sell my Nomad after playing one.

However, after A/B'ing one with an F-30, I was let down. The clean didn't gush with quite the same lushness as the F-series in any mode or poweramp configuration, and the blues/burn gain modes were a letdown. Blues would have been a nice addition to the F-series, since it has a pretty fast ramp-up on the gain knob, but even I felt like burn was under-gained, and I take a lot of crap from my guitar buddies for being practically allergic to gain.

The switchable wattage was awesome, and the 'verb wasn't bad, but I couldn't get on with the actual tone of the amp itself. It was nice for lower gain blues/rock stuff, but if that's your thing any of the Lone Stars absolutely own it, anyway.

The F-series I'd still strongly recommend, especially since these days if it isn't used (and therefore cheap) it's being cleared out (and therefore cheap). Also, the DC series is worth a look too, as these were pretty much the precursors to the F's and are a little more Mark-like, which if you're into 80's tones may be even more your thing. I like the Nomads too - I ended up impulse buying a Rectoverb that day I was demoing the Express amps, and was so blown away once I got to really open it up that I haven't played my Nomad combo since really, but I can't quite briing myself to sell it.

The Express though... I know a few guys here like them, but I'm not one of them.
Thanks Drew.

I had tried the mesa express before, and on paper it looks like the amp of all amps. However the burn channel wasn't good to me at all. I had a nomad 45 back in the day and remember it was pretty good, but sold it as being the apt at that time wasn't good pplus i got a good price on it (hey i was a poor grad student then).
But i'll check out the F-50 though i prefer EL84's which the F30 has i believe. I would have to buy used then and w/o trying which is sometimes dangerous.
I'll get them a shoot tonight and see what happens.

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