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post #1 of 56 (permalink) Old 07-21-2012, 06:00 PM Thread Starter
 
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Confusion over the term "High Gain"

Almost every amp company describes what they produce as high gain, or high gain capable. In reality however, it's a totally different story.

When I say high gain I don't mean Heart's "Magic Man" or AC/DC "Back in Black."

This is what I mean.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-FpcyrvsNI

Give me this in a five watt and I don't care the cost.

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Yep--that's what I call high gain!



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That song this brings back memories. Love it.
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Hughes & Kettner Tubemeister 18.

Take it from a death metal player, this thing got heavy! I was using a 7 string in Drop A in it. No pedals. It's switchable between 18 watts, 8 watts, one watt and no watts for recording.

You have to have the gain cranked and the lead boost on though. The lead boost is VERY important. It won't do anything over blues fuzz without it. But it got pretty heavy. And if you had an OD in front of it, you'd have to be backing the gain off! But it was great without it! Good luck finding a review, video or clip of it getting to that level though. Based on clips, I would have never considered one. But one day, I saw one in Guitar Center and figured "F**k, might as well. I've always wanted one of the big-boy Kettners". I'd actually get one of these for at-home stuff.

$600.

Actually, I'd get the Tube Meister 36 instead! All the same features and more. More gain as well.
http://www.hughes-and-kettner.com/pr...od=TubeMeister 36 Head

Damn, it's not out yet :/

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There's also the ENGL Gigmaster 15 and Gigmaster 30. Not sure if they can switch to lower wattage or not. I think they can though.
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ENGL amps characteristically have more gain on tap than Hughes & Kettner but I like the Hughes & Kettner tone better. Either will get you there, though, as will the Splawn Nitro, especially with KT88'S.
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Hughes & Kettner Tubemeister 18.

Take it from a death metal player, this thing got heavy! I was using a 7 string in Drop A in it. No pedals. It's switchable between 18 watts, 8 watts, one watt and no watts for recording.

You have to have the gain cranked and the lead boost on though. The lead boost is VERY important. It won't do anything over blues fuzz without it. But it got pretty heavy. And if you had an OD in front of it, you'd have to be backing the gain off! But it was great without it! Good luck finding a review, video or clip of it getting to that level though. Based on clips, I would have never considered one. But one day, I saw one in Guitar Center and figured "F**k, might as well. I've always wanted one of the big-boy Kettners". I'd actually get one of these for at-home stuff.

$600.

Actually, I'd get the Tube Meister 36 instead! All the same features and more. More gain as well.
http://www.hughes-and-kettner.com/pr...od=TubeMeister 36 Head

Damn, it's not out yet :/
+1 on the H&K.
Saw a demo--this baby cranks!



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Re: Confusion over the term "High Gain"

I tend to like less gainy amps with an OD in front, I'm a big fan of that 80's Thrash tone.
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High gain = when you grab a wire and all your cells start to shake.
Low gain = when you grab a wire and it makes tickles.
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There's also the ENGL Gigmaster 15 and Gigmaster 30. Not sure if they can switch to lower wattage or not. I think they can though.
This one is leading the pack so far.
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Jet City Picovalve?
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Jet City Picovalve?
Tried it, no gain to speak of.
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I tend to like less gainy amps with an OD in front, I'm a big fan of that 80's Thrash tone.

This is how I am, sort of. My soldano SLO is called "high gain," but compared to some of the modern amps on the market, it certainly isn't "highest gain." However, even with my SLO, I like to get my lead solo sound by kicking on a Boss SD-1 in front of the SLO. I prefer to keep the SLO gain around 6 or 7, which is great for heavy rhythms and riffs, and any extra gain or push for a more singing and sustaining lead sound, just a slight boost from my SD-1 gives me all I need. Plus, I actually like the sound better than maxing just the gain on my amp. There's something about that tiny solid state pedal boost in front of an overdriven tube amp that is time tested and tried and true magic. I used to have a Marshall TSL head, and I did the same thing - I never used that really high gain channel 3. I liked to dial in the crunch channel to a nice heavy sound with plenty of OD, and then kick on my SD1 for leads/sustain.
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Yup, backing off the gain and using an OD to tighten up the flubby bottom-end you sometimes get is magical. It's just adds an extra bit of hair that you can't always get out of an amp.

On topic, what wrong with getting a little class-A 5-watter and using something like a Suhr Riot/Tube King/HT-Drive pedal for your gain? I have a Peavey Royal 8 (the little 5-watt amp in the Valveking series) which I use for bedroom stuff. The onboard 'gain' is rubbish but put a Rat in front and it sounds great at low volumes.
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Yup, backing off the gain and using an OD to tighten up the flubby bottom-end you sometimes get is magical. It's just adds an extra bit of hair that you can't always get out of an amp.

On topic, what wrong with getting a little class-A 5-watter and using something like a Suhr Riot/Tube King/HT-Drive pedal for your gain? I have a Peavey Royal 8 (the little 5-watt amp in the Valveking series) which I use for bedroom stuff. The onboard 'gain' is rubbish but put a Rat in front and it sounds great at low volumes.
I've never understood getting a tube amp just to run solid state pedals in front.

I may just go the solid state route actually. Considering a Carvin SX 200 head. At $299.00 it seems like a no brainer. I could put a Boss Metalcore on it and get what I need, I think
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