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post #1 of 14 (permalink) Old 04-19-2003, 01:37 PM Thread Starter
 
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at the moment im using an rg550 with a paf pro, hs 2 and breed, also i have a peavey 112 bandit for my clean, and a sansamp gt2 (not in effects loop) for distortion, i also like to use a marshall jackhammer or a dod grind pedal for fuzzy bits. One problem, i do love the tone i get from the gt-2 but there is not enough gain for really singing sustained lines, when i try to boost the gain with the jack hammer, it makes the tone fuzzy, and i just want to make it sustain more. I have tried turning all the eq on the jachammer down and having the gain on minimum and the level high to boost the sustain rather than adding more distortion, but i still lose that natural tone from the gt-2, and solutions?
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post #2 of 14 (permalink) Old 04-19-2003, 01:46 PM Thread Starter
 
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might i be better off using something like a yngwie malmsteen pedal from dod, a ds-1 or a super overdrive from boss?
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Hmmm. I used to use a Trademark 10 for home practice untill it died. Its pretty similiar. As a matter of fact the TM10 is a GT2 built into a SS amp. I always thought it had more then enouph gain. I usually ran it at about 50% for metal/rock rhythm. but somethimes Id like to mess with that over-saturated sound for leads with a booster.

Anyway running one SS OD pedal in front of another before a clean amp gives you VERY different results depending on what your using and what order. I found with the TM10 using a TS9 sounded completely different from an SP2 or DS1 or FoxRox CCII Fuzz.

Messing with the EQ really doesnt change the basic tone of a pedal. I would try some other pedals if you cant get a sound you like. A DS1 is very cheap. I never liked running really "tubey" sounding Drive pedals (liek a marshall pedal or Danelectro Fabtone) in front of an already overdriven pedal/amp.

What kind of sound are you going for?
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well, im going for a variety of sounds, i do like using the grind pedal for fuzz but only for over the top hendrix things. I just want the nice pure tone of the gt2 to remain instead of fuzzing up. there isnt really that much clarity with the bottom notes as there is when its just the gt2. i do want a variety of tones, such as a vai type FTLOG sound, with nice sustain but with some clarity and not fuzzy, ive already got my bluesy tones sorted just the gt2 with the gain rolled off so i just need a pedal to go next to the gt2 which isnt going to kill the nice tone i get from it anyway.
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i do have a marshall overdrive instead of the jackhammer one, that might make some difference, they dont really go well as a booster pedal seen as though there are so many eq variations im not really bothered about those.

the guv'nor 2 sounds a great deal better, i can dial in a nice bit of gain without the sound getting too muddy or fuzzy, all i need now is a boss noise reduction pedal!
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Im not sure what Vai used for the album version. I wouldnt say that using the exact OD with the GT2 would sound similiar anyway.

Have you looked into the clean boost thing?

-Fulltone FatBoost or FullDrive
-Seymour Duncan Boost Pedal
-Klon Centaur

Actually theres tons of pedal manufacturers making pedals that will give you a transparent signal boost (maybe around 16-20 dbs) without coloring the tone. It just drives the input harder giving you more gain. It does make it a little tighter and a little more saturated and smooth. But it colors a lot less then an OD or Distortion pedal.
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Also- you may wanna experiment with how much gain your running on the GT2 when your running a boost before it. If I was gonna use certain pedals Id start with a soft crunch. For Others I may dial in a decent amount of drive on the GT2 then start out low with the booster.
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Actually theres tons of pedal manufacturers making pedals that will give you a transparent signal boost (maybe around 16-20 dbs) without coloring the tone. It just drives the input harder giving you more gain. It does make it a little tighter and a little more saturated and smooth. But it colors a lot less then an OD or Distortion pedal.
Although, we're tlaking a solid-state amp here... I've always been under the impression it's best NOT to try to overdrive a solid-state pramp with a boost...?

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I'd be tempted to try out a Hughes & Kettner Tubeman or a nice tube preamp in the effects loop while running the peavey preamp with clean settings.

Anyone here ever used a solid state amp this way?
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Drew, I thought about that. And I didnt use my Fatboost much with my TM10 which is the only SS amp Ive ever owned. But I never had any trouble smacking the input of it. And Im assuming since they market the GT2 like a pedal it would respond no different then any other distortion pedal.
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Although I'm sure it can be done successfully, I have never had any success in boosting any solid state device (amp or pedal) with another pedal. In my experience it turns everything into a FuzzFace no matter what it's supposed to sound like.
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Also, the FTLOG tone was just a compressor, a wah, and a Marshall head- no OD in the signal chain, alledgedly... the marshall mode on the T-10 oughta get you as close as anything else...

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like i said.. i just want some extra saturation and sustain on top of what i get from the gt-2, it has a nice bit of gain on its own but theres not quite enough for me, i dont know whether this thing has somehow lost gain!, its quite old apparently.
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i tried using the gt-2 in the preamp like its supposed to be used, but i lost the reverb and everything else when i turned it off i didnt like that, as i had no control over the volume of the amp with the gt2 turned off, plus there was no reverb on the gt2 and it sounds too flat like that, i much prefer using it as a stompbox as it still sounds better than the distortion on my peavey any day.
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