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post #1 of 37 (permalink) Old 09-08-2002, 09:01 PM Thread Starter
 
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Got my VWH this week, and picked up a Legacy Head today!

So I traded off one of my JS-1000 and some cashola and picked up
a slightly used VWH. Except for some trem wear and a dirty fretboard
it's a pretty damn nice guitar!

Gold hardware is soon going bye bye!

So then I get an E-mail from a guy here in Chicagoland that has a Legacy
I put a half assed bid on up on EBay. He was trying to temp me with free
shipping and all this if I used the buy it now in the next 24 hours. So I
send him an E-mail with a flat out offer and point out that I'm about an
hour away from him and I can pick it up!

So now I have a Legacy.

Here is my delema though.

While my girlfriend says that the VWH sounds better then any of my other
guitars (Root Beer Jem, JS-6, UV777BK) the guitar just doesn't "click"
with me. It's kinda slowly growing on me...but to me it doesn't work
with me like the JS-6 or Root Beer do, and most especially the UV777BK
that I thought I'd NEVER like. Damn I love all three of those guitars!
Granted, the VWH is slowly growing on me. I was trying to learn "The
Wind Cry's Mary" and with the pickup selector switch in the 4th position
(neck/single) run through my 45 year old Magnatone, WOW what a sound!
But still no rock and roll.

So I get home, I plug into the Legacy, and crank it a bit (after warning the
Girlfriend to run into another room and close the door, LOL). I jam, I rock,
a tap, I jam some more.

Blah.

I must be doing something wrong. Cause even my early 80s Laney
rocks this thing down and the Laney has a half burnt output transformer!!

Steve Vai I am not, but I *know* when I hear something I like.

Can anyone offer some settings suggestions? I do have several Boss
DS-1s at my disposal, and I am willing to give this KILLER gear a good
try before I give up and move on.

Any help is greatly apprecaited!

~Eric~
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post #2 of 37 (permalink) Old 09-08-2002, 09:23 PM
 
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I don't own a Legacy, but if you check Carvin's website, you'll find Steve's settings in the Legacy section here.
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I am probably the only other Laney fan here on the forum, and it doesn't surprise me that you're unhappy with the Legacy. Hopefully, it [Legacy]will grow on you like it did on me.

The fact of the matter is that the two amps are different animals - one is the "British" sound, and the other is like a modern high gain (without the high gain.) IMHO they will never sound alike. I am slowly learning that there is no single tube amp that can span the vast differences between any given amps - in this case, the AOR and the Legacy (if there is LMK. I'll take two.) Each tube amp seems to have it's own distinctive sound.

Another thing that I'd like to mention is that I ran the Legacy head through a Legacy cab at home, and it sounded awesome. I bought another cab to leave at the rehearsal space, which was a resissue 1960A and it sounded like **** (filter should have said doo doo.) You may want to test drive different cabs.

Hope you grow to like the amp though. I based my Legacy settings off of the examples given on Carvin's site. Basically, I set everything in the lead channel somewhere around seven - give or take. I am not crazy about the reverb on the Legacy though.

You can ignore everything I have said if you so choose, which is a pretty good idea since I am a newbie (newly addicted) tube guy.
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Actually kirk that was very usefull!

Right now I'm running it through my Laney cabs that I'm very familiar with.
I know their strengths and weakneses and overall I'm pretty happy with
them.

But I do have a Legacy 2X12 with original Greenbacks on it's way to me.
I should have that in about a week or so.

Honestly, I think I was expecting more gain from the amp, and adding my
DS-1 (any of the three) seems to mudd the thing up.

And judging from the settings that SJ7 pointed me too, it's just as I
figured (or was actually told by RSVampire), the amp NEEDS to be
cranked in order to sing.

I'd really hate to invest in a hot plate for this setup and still not like my
sound with it (sigh).

As for the Laney. I'm not compairing the sound, I'm just saying in over all
usage, the Laney SMOKES the Legacy. Granted, the clean channel on the
Legacy is much smoother, but the dirty is just so lacking in harmonics.
And again, I could probably remedy this with some HOT tubes and a good
hot biasing...but that's more money invested in something I might not like.

I'll give it a run and see what I think.

In the meantime, anyone know of any high gain amps, with good *live*
in your face presence, that's still warm? Oh, and has a sparkling clean
channel?

I know I'm probably dreaming...
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the amp NEEDS to be
cranked in order to sing.
Agreed, which was the ONLY reason why I got rid of the Legacy in the first place. Now that my schedule is quite different, I actually have time to crank a tube amp.

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Laney SMOKES the Legacy. Granted, the clean channel on the
Legacy is much smoother, but the dirty is just so lacking in harmonics.
This is where you get subjective. I wish I could get both of the dirties in one amp. The Laney is good at one thing, and the Legacy at another. The Legacy's dirty is more me today and the Laney was more me 10 years ago. That's just my opinion.

Just as an aside, I found that the build date on my AOR is 1986. Also thought you might be interested in knowing - the "caps" on the knobs on the AOR were missing from the amp when I bought it. I ordered chrome dome knobs and it looks sweet.
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Yeah, one of my Laney heads is missing the caps, the other head is
damn near perfect, but still needs an output transformer otherwise it
blows a set of tubes every hour (literally).

Maybe I'll just drop the $200+, get a hand made Marshall Plexi
replacement output transformer and ditch the Legacy.

Damn I'm too picky!
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I've moced this to the Gear and Equipment section, as this has truned into an amp discussion more than anything else
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my fav laney:5150
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I hated the legacy the day I got it...all I could think was MUD! It takes some definate tweaking and getting used to. I thought about just getting mine modded...but I'm either trading cody for his speedtwin and getting a g major, or keeping it and getting a preamp and effects to use the legacy as a power amp. It's a great head..I just need more options with tone I guess. Its not a rythm machine...its all lead. I think Kirk nailed it with "modern high gain without the high gain". Honestly..being that we're both going for the same tone I know what you're after. I dont think we're going to fine that tone in one head...either multiple heads or a rack setup honestly.
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It seems to me that the Laney and the Legacy cover opposite ends of the spectrum.

I never tried a Legacy for myself, but after hearing Vai and Vinnie Moore play through them, the Legacy sounds very "dark" to my ears....if that's the right word for it...lol. And it does sound a bit muddy at times.

On the other hand the my Lany GH100L can sound very bright at times. And the amp certainly has a lot of gain
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Tex, looks like I'm following in your footsteps again...

Yeah, this thing is mud.

I'm going to try working things through the effects loop, running it
as a power amp for my Chameleon, and I found some extra Groove
Tubes that I might try out in the pre stage. I'm also considering upping
the gain a bit by using some really hot JJ ECC83S preamp tubes in
place of all these groove tubes (that I don't like).

Modding is my last resort.

If I could somehow get more of a XXX Ultra stage, but keep the clean
channel AS IS, I think this one head would do it!

But I think Tex is right...I think I'm going to be running multiple heads
or going back to rack gear. The volume required to "wake this amp up"
is too much for my apartment complex to handle!

Oddly, I still keep gravatating back tot he Marshall Valvestate 2000
combo. Too bad it costs as much as this Legacy head new...

Anyone have one for sale used?
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If I could somehow get more of a XXX Ultra stage, but keep the clean
channel AS IS, I think this one head would do it!
You might as well just sell it now. You're not going to get it without some type of heavy mod, external preamp, pedal or a processor.

Someone said that the MTS that Carvin makes may be the trick for a more heavily distorted or saturated sound. I have one on the way, so I'll let you know what it sounds like when I get it.
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Thank Kirk. I read that too. Tell me how that sounds? Maybe record an
MP3 to entertain us?

Like I said, I don't give up easy, I'm going to try all three of my vintage
DS-1s (which all sound different), and my rack gear, and I thought I'd
even try putting an M-EQ 230 inline to see if I can EQ the mids better.

Steve must be such a good artist, he can make crap sound good! LOL
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I had a similar impression of the Legacy a while back when I visited the Carvin shop in Calli...nice clean but the OD did not grip me. Must be what you guys mentioned--gotta crank it (or at least drive it with a pedal).
Greg

Kirk, I'm a Laney fan too...I have an LC30 combo that rocks, has a bit of Voxy flavor. I've looked at those AOR heads and combos, but never jumped in.
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A step in the right direction...

I've wired my 2X12 diagnal Laney cab to 16Ohms and I've swapped out
the three (Sovtec?) tubes that followed the two Groove Tubes with more
Groove Tubes. Not my first choice, but the two changes brought out
cleaner mids!

I think it might have killed some of my clean chanel sparkle though (sigh)

I think I'm going to buy myself a new MultiMeter and a Bias probe and
invest in some tubes and see what I can do with this amp myself.
Just these simple changes thus far have made a WORLD of difference!

I'm hoping if I run the amp hotter and only at 50watts, I can get a little
more dirt out of her yet!
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