Doesnt your dad have 37 vintage Mesas from the 1920s that sound great?
nah he has a 67 ab165 bassman blackface with the origionla cab, i think its a 67 pretty sure it is
Originally Posted by David McCarroll
..... cool, yeah, I know - I own two of them so I experience all these problems first hand - don't know why I bought them really........
hey now, some people love them, but if u bypass the preamp section and use a processor like the vox tonelab or the digitech 2120, you can hear the difference, but like my buddy gots one and he loves it, im not saying they are terrible amps per say for someones taste, but ive heard from people they get way too hot, and if u use it alot the caps burn up, the trannys might shift in pitch due to heat....thats just what ive heard, and when i play my preamp through a peavey, he reponse time is greater, you can hear the difference, ive tried going through a messa before, not my gig, but some people love em
Sorry for my ignorance but:
These are power amps and pre amps right? I wont have to buy a separate preamp section?
yeah they are poweramps only, but the best part is, you can use anything, personaly peo[ple here rant about the messa, but for its preamp, id take a carvin quad x-amp over any messa tube preamp, and the carvins are all switchable, hand wired, not made anymore, but the tone surpasses the messa preamps and are more modded by far!!!
Originally Posted by David McCarroll
yes they are power amps - you need a separate pre-amp to get anything other than a giant super clean tone out of them. and to answer the last question on losgatosrg350dx's original post, I have a Mesa 2:90 power amp which delivers humungous clean tone up to ear-bleeding volume, but of course purely sucks in parts, assembly, componenets and response time, and seems to have all this odd buzzing, fizzing and fuzzing going on ........
Apologies for being a bit fascetious (sic), but I actually PLAY through Mesa gear, at home, on gigs and in the studio, so I know what they do and what they sound like on a day to day basis, rather than what is said about them on various forums....
Again, the 5:25 is a fantastic amp - you have already stated that yourself, I really would suggest you keep saving, have a look at second hand ones etc - otherwise you will be settling for a compromise on what you are really looking for.
if it were a versus front to front, a messa 2:90, has absolutely nothing on a 60/60...and when u wana talk about humongous tone, a 120/120, would drown out a 2:90 in a heartbeat and is SOOOOOO freaking less expensive than a messa 2:90 and lasts longer, runns smoother, and sounds better, even without all the darn presence controls/solo controls, with the peavey you never need it, and there are many kits u can get for peavey rack amps for switching power right in the middle of playing it even, that way you can run for instance a mono 60 rack amp at half power and then press a foot switch and get full 60 watts...thats better than the 12 db solo switch on the messa(12db maybe something else, i just know its a volume switch)
and if u wana talk about comprimise i personaly dont think for a heartbeat in quality that a messa is buit better than a peavey rack amp, a old one that is
Originally Posted by markyperfection
yeah, because somebody looking for a high-gain amp with switchable wattage is going to be able make really good use of a rack-mounted power amp without a pre-amp section.
great advice, dude. is there anybody on jemsite who knows less about what they're talking about than you? i'd love to read that guy's posts.
like i said before, i almost got my tech to do a pwer switchable feature on my amp, but never got around to it, and i dont need it, i have a awesome preamp now
Cracks me up when people bag on Mesa. I've owned several and currently gig a Lonestar weekly. Couldn't be happier.
well lets see...ive tried messa, and they dont have that death metal technical metal sound
i play alot of shuldiner, sucimez, metallica, dimebag, and in that kind, and ive never been able to get a tone from a messa anything near the dimebag crisp, nor the shuldiner crystal mountain....
even with effects...now i mentioned, some of you may like it, but i dont, and ive just heard alot about them that isnt good, my buddy alan, worked in the messa store in hollywood, and did it, just to get a ampo at discount, and after working there, he saw soo many returns, servicing, etc....so all my stuff is based on what a semi-pro amp tech has told me
but if u have a chpoise to go with a preamp and power amp selection, this way you can match ur sound alot better, and spend fortunes less for better built equipement, then id suggest the peavey rack power amp, a trully superb workhorse that eats the current competition
other than a engl, sorry a engl with eat anything