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post #1 of 14 (permalink) Old 03-03-2007, 10:24 AM Thread Starter
 
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How loud is "loud enough"?

Okay guys, here's my story.

For the most part other than playing in small places I haven't gigged all that much. I own a Vox Valvetronix AD50VT and I absolutely LOVE the tone that comes out of it. However there's a LARGE chance I'll be playing in an auditorium multiple times in the next two months or so and I'm worried how well it will hold up, as the auditorium's speaker set-up is pretty bad - I wouldn't count on the mic making up for the "loudness" my amp may not be able to provide (hence why I'm asking this).

So I guess my question is...for an auditorium that can say hold...900 or so people (but granted there will be only around 100-200 in here), will my Vox 50w be able to hold its own? Do I need to try to get a 100w version of it? Or buy a 4x12 cab for the external speaker out?

Granted, I know this is a lot of questions but I figured you guys are the ones to ask.
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post #2 of 14 (permalink) Old 03-03-2007, 10:32 AM
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Re: How loud is "loud enough"?

100W vs 50W = 3dB more volume. You would get a bigger volume difference running it through a 4X12 cab, but you may be able to get away with using exactly what you have and raising the amp up off the floor or tilting it up.
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You need to be loud enough for a mic to pic it up. At least as loud as someone sings. You can be louder if you like, but you don't need to be. You only mic one speaker, so 4x12's are unnecessary really. I've gigged alot, big and small shows. You aren't going to have to hear your amp anyway. If you haven't already, get some Shure PSM200 in ears. There are alot more problems with being too loud on stage than you or your band needs to deal with. Don't worry about hearing your cab. You don't need to. Besides, you will only be able to hear it standing in one place on stage. And that's boring to watch.
Hope your shows go well.

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You need to be loud enough for a mic to pic it up. At least as loud as someone sings. You can be louder if you like, but you don't need to be. You only mic one speaker, so 4x12's are unnecessary really.

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but he doesnt want to use the house system to mic his amp through
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but he doesnt want to use the house system to mic his amp through
That is never an option. Not if you want to be heard properly and clearly by more than 5 people.
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Re: How loud is "loud enough"?

I'm sorry if my post was a little confusing - it's not that I'm not going to use the house system - it's that I'm not sure if I trust it to make it as loud as I need it. However, I know there's been talk of upgrading the system very soon so my troubles may go away in a few weeks if they upgrade it.

If Darin's roundabout guess that being louder than someone can sing is accurate - then I should be fine, as this amp has no problem with cranking it up to pretty loud volumes - more than the majority of singers could sing anyway. Thanks for the tips guys!
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Re: How loud is "loud enough"?

ok dude
all u need to worry about is to get the right volume on stage, the balance between the band WITHOUT mic,

then a good sound guy should be able to mix it to a suitable house volume

atlease this is what i tell the bands to do.
50w is totally fine, and shud give u enuf volume onstage to monitor yourself
let the house do the big sound. it will sound bad if everything is coming from the mix where u only have the guitar coming from one loud spot on stage
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Re: How loud is "loud enough"?

30watts-good-60 watts-better, 100watts use earplugs
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Re: How loud is "loud enough"?

I played for 400 people at my school with my VOX Valvetronix AD15VT. I think you'll be alright. Although, I did it without any accompaniment. Still, 50 watts is usually more than enough for most venues, and if it isn't, you can mic it and have it put through the house PA.
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I had the 15 watter version of that amp. I'm thinking the 50 watter should work for you.

Btw where are you playing... I live in merryland too.
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Re: How loud is "loud enough"?

Thanks guys, I figured I should be alright but it's always good to be sure rather than something happening on the night of!

PS. S-Man I'd be playing at my high school in St. Mary's County.

If you're nearby, I'll also be doing some coffee shop gigs in Leonardtown (also in St Mary's County).
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30watts-good-60 watts-better, 100watts use earplugs
150W... plug in a mile away haha
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Re: How loud is "loud enough"?

Crates 300 watt Blue Voodoo = insanity

(yes it's all tube)
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Yeah, where ya playing? I'm in Harrisburg.
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