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post #1 of 11 (permalink) Old 07-28-2012, 08:10 PM Thread Starter
 
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Hughes & Kettner vs vox/blackstar

HI, Im in the market for a new amp. My marshall AVT 150 died the other day at practice, Im not too bummed about that though. I am currently having it repaired so that I can sell it, not sure if I want to sell the head and keep the cab to use or just sell the stack. I have wanted to sell it for some time now. Our band is moving away from covers and toward originals (alt rock with some delta blues influence), and Id like something that will fit our sound and be less....generic sounding.

I have been looking at the Vox night train 50, and the Blackstar 50. My basic requirements are at least 2 footswitchable channels, I need to be able to go from a clean sound to a fairly gain-y driven channel, and I dont like distortion pedals. I would be open to some sort of overdrive pedal that pushed the amp instead of a digital sounding distortion pedal. Every amp I have had has either been solid state or hybrid (the AVT), and Id really like to try a higher end sounding tube amp.

I have not been able to play either the vox or the blackstar in person, I listened to some reviews and it seems like the blackstar is pretty marshall-y, it also has a "digital reverb" and it has a tone shaping knob that changes it from brit sounding to US sounding. I really dont like the last 2 features mentioned there, I assume they will sound digital/solid state=ish.

The vox on the other hand is more of a simple tube amp, 2 channels, no reverb but Ill take no reverb over digital reverb. The vox is 100$ more thought.


Anyway, I went to the local guitar center to try some of these amps. In typical guitar center fashion they had neither, they did have a jet city 333 head that I tried but it was broken. An employee directed me to 2 amps, an orange tiny terror and an Hughes and Kettner tubemeister 18. I had no intentions of playing either because it appeared that neither had multiple channels, but while leaving the employee mentioned that the H&K had 2 channels. I didnt have time to test it out but after looking at reviews it seems to sound very good. It also does not have a reverb, I would probably have to purchase a reverb pedal, and will also be running a wah and tuner pedal also. Neither of these pedals are true bypass, will this negate the hi fi sound of the h&k? Is it worth it to buy this kind of amp to just run analog pedals in front of it? Also, can I use the AVT cab for this head? I know the avt cab isnt exactly high end, maybe I should just sell it with the AVT head... Which brings me to my question, is this amp overkill for me? I know h&k is a boutique amp company, and Im sure they are higher quality than vox or blackstar. I just havent heard much about these. Sorry for the long post, I appreciate any advise.

Thanks for the help
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post #2 of 11 (permalink) Old 07-30-2012, 06:25 PM
 
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Re: Hughes & Kettner vs vox/blackstar

Just bought an h&k tubemeister 18 head last week and I am greatly impressed with it, impressed enough to sell my Laney GH100L. Running it with a mesa 2x12 recto cab and it sounds amazing. The lead channel has a lead boost button that gives it even more gain, I also have a fulltone ocd to push the amp even harder. I would say go for the H&K Tubemeister 18.
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I have not been able to play either the vox or the blackstar in person, I listened to some reviews and it seems like the blackstar is pretty marshall-y, it also has a "digital reverb" and it has a tone shaping knob that changes it from brit sounding to US sounding. I really dont like the last 2 features mentioned there, I assume they will sound digital/solid state=ish.
The Blackstar propriety ISF knob is actually quite impressive. It is very organic sounding. I'm quite impressed with it on my HT-5. Apparently the digital reverb has impressed a lot of people as well. Don't be turned off by these features. Blackstar is excellent bang for buck.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=na5mm...eature=related

Perfect for this thread.
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Re: Hughes & Kettner vs vox/blackstar

thanks guys, and good find.


I looked on the local CL and found a used 20th anniversary h&k combo for 250$!

Thinking about grabbing it, almost too cheap to turn down. It has the same features, also comes with reverb. The combo has less headroom on clean and the lead channel is less modern than the tubemeister but its 250$!
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That's a great deal. I'd definitely try it out. If it does what you want then it's a steal!
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Re: Hughes & Kettner vs vox/blackstar

The H&K 20th anniversary is a GREAT amp BUT, not a high gain amp at all. It's really more known for the H&K signature clean tone.
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Re: Hughes & Kettner vs vox/blackstar

well id call the gain channel somewhere in between marshall and vox. Thats enough for what im doing, if its not theres always the tube screamer.


Thanks for the help guys.
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well id call the gain channel somewhere in between marshall and vox. Thats enough for what im doing, if its not theres always the tube screamer.


Thanks for the help guys.
That should work. You'll get Heart Magic Man kind of tone out of it.
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That'll be a brilliant score at that price!
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Re: Hughes & Kettner vs vox/blackstar

Ill jump on it if he will answer his freaking emails!
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