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post #1 of 49 (permalink) Old 11-20-2005, 07:40 AM Thread Starter
 
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Marshall Jcm 2000 DSL vs. 5150 II

What do you think would be a better head for metal, shred, instrumental music?
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post #2 of 49 (permalink) Old 11-20-2005, 09:01 AM
 
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Re: Marshall Jcm 2000 DSL vs. 5150 II

I think that the 5150 may be suited better to you. I think that the DSL is less suited to metal and shred. But unfortunately I've tried neither , so I can't give a personal opinion.

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Re: Marshall Jcm 2000 DSL vs. 5150 II

I've got a TSL100 and i think it's really good for getting a good tone. I wouldn't say it's overly metal or anything, but i prefer it being like it is. It's more like the tone you'd hear from Satch i guess. More of a smooth distortion then a heavy metal one. That said, i do own a DoD Death Metal pedal which is a pure treble fest, so i'm just sick of those tones :P
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Re: Marshall Jcm 2000 DSL vs. 5150 II

The Jcm 2000 DSL sounds great to me, but they have as far as I know horrible quality issues. The channel switching on the one I tried didn't work, and the person who bought it had tried 4 different heads when he was in the states, and all of them had issues with the switching...
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post #5 of 49 (permalink) Old 11-20-2005, 10:25 PM
 
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Re: Marshall Jcm 2000 DSL vs. 5150 II

for shred and metal, defintely the 5150 II
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post #6 of 49 (permalink) Old 12-17-2005, 09:03 AM
 
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Re: Marshall Jcm 2000 DSL vs. 5150 II

I have the JCM 900 SL-X and I want to switch between clean and overdrive but by keeping the valve tone. As the JCM 900 is single channel, my eyes have been on the TSL 100. But looking at one up close, the build doesn't seem as good, especially around the power switches. Any of you guys own one or use one? I might try one out and see what I think. The features on it are just what I'm after, versatility keeping that valve tone.
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post #7 of 49 (permalink) Old 12-17-2005, 12:06 PM
 
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Re: Marshall Jcm 2000 DSL vs. 5150 II

i would also go for the 5150
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post #8 of 49 (permalink) Old 12-17-2005, 01:49 PM
 
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Re: Marshall Jcm 2000 DSL vs. 5150 II

I tested out the DSL and TSL before and have the 5150 combo. For raw metal and rock, nothing really beats the 5150, it is the Scandinavian Metal sound afterall.

That said, the 5150 is not only limited to high gain stuff. It can do classic rock stuff pretty good. Cleans on the 5150 II should be pretty good too.

The rhythm channel sounds so much like a hotrodded marshall it's not funny. It's very aggressive and punchy and has loads of gain. The lead channel is tighter, smoother, brighter, and has way more than enough gain for anything metal and beyond.

The difference between a 5150 and 5150II would be the 5150II is slightly brighter and has less gain(which isn't saying much since it's still way too much gain)

The DSL and TSL in comparision have farty and buzzy gain and they do not sound like a Marshall at all to me.

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post #9 of 49 (permalink) Old 12-17-2005, 01:59 PM
 
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Re: Marshall Jcm 2000 DSL vs. 5150 II

5150 hands down , it is cheaper and to me an over all better amp . It has all the gain you'll need for metal or shred. The tsl isn't the most gainy amp i personally hate the way the amp is voiced , and i really just hate marshall but oh well.

the 5150 can go from a clean to marshall style crunch and then to full out metal and anywhere in between.
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post #10 of 49 (permalink) Old 12-17-2005, 02:37 PM
 
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Re: Marshall Jcm 2000 DSL vs. 5150 II

Here are some clips of the TSL100 and 5150 II for you all to listen to. I'd get the 5150 or 5150 II by all means.
Enjoy!

TSL100 Clips:

TSL100 Clean w/FJA Mod

TSL100 Crunch w/FJA Mod

TSL100 Crunch

TSL100 Crunch 2

5150 II Clips:

5150 II Clean

5150 II Modified

Here are some 5150 clips:

Modified 5150

Clean 5150

Another Clean 5150

More clips and information on the TSL 100, 5150 and 5150 II can be found at FJA Mods
More information on the 5150 Clips can be found at Voodoo Amps

All clips were used from the two websites mentioned above.

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post #11 of 49 (permalink) Old 12-17-2005, 06:03 PM
 
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Re: Marshall Jcm 2000 DSL vs. 5150 II

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I have the JCM 900 SL-X and I want to switch between clean and overdrive but by keeping the valve tone. As the JCM 900 is single channel, my eyes have been on the TSL 100. But looking at one up close, the build doesn't seem as good, especially around the power switches. Any of you guys own one or use one? I might try one out and see what I think. The features on it are just what I'm after, versatility keeping that valve tone.

To be honest, i'd keep the 900. I have a 900 and the other guitarist in my band uses a TSL60. My 900 sounds more powerful and have more clarity, which is why it was used to record the guitars on my bands e.p.

The TSL seemed thin and raspy and lacked punch in it's sound. If you wanted a clean channel, i'd say turn your volume knob down on your guitar and use a smidge of chorus. Failing that, maybe look into the Laney VH100
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post #12 of 49 (permalink) Old 12-17-2005, 07:30 PM
 
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Re: Marshall Jcm 2000 DSL vs. 5150 II

What about, if you took the versitality of the TSL and got a really good guitar tech to re valve the amp with something special, to make it sound awesome? Different vavles will affect the tone.
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# 1 -Jim Marshall Signture JCM 800 lead series 1960's-Top shreder!
# 2 -Messa -Top shreder!
# 3 -Ashdown - Top shreder!
# 4 -5150 II - Top shreder!
The Newer Marshall's Sound sucks! I own the 4 amp's Above ^ & mix & match when ever i get sick of the same sounding amp, my fav is JCM because it bring's out a Pure Tone in any guitar i put thew this amp, But i like All of the amp's i listed there all good for shred.
Happy Shreding Bro! Cheers -Jake
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Re: Marshall Jcm 2000 DSL vs. 5150 II

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What about, if you took the versitality of the TSL and got a really good guitar tech to re valve the amp with something special, to make it sound awesome? Different vavles will affect the tone.
That's true. But many people will agree with me when i say that the JCM900 sh*ts all over the TSL. Plus the Laney VH head has a clean and dirty channel and is cheaper than a TSL and many people say Laney have some of the best heads around.
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post #15 of 49 (permalink) Old 12-18-2005, 09:56 AM
 
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Re: Marshall Jcm 2000 DSL vs. 5150 II

I would agree that a Laney head would be better for the metal/shred tone that your looking for than a TSL, plus the Laney clean tone is really nice IMO.

I have had a DSL 401 and a Laney GH50L and prefered the Laney over the DSL. Although having said that, if you want a really heavy tone then go for the 5150 or something like a JSX would be pretty good if you can afford it.
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