Which modelling/hybrid technology? - Jemsite
Gear, Equipment, Recording & Off Topic Gear, Equipment, and Recording discussed here. Amps, pedals, whatever.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 25 (permalink) Old 01-01-2006, 03:14 AM Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: China
Posts: 186
Which modelling/hybrid technology?

Just curious to hear your opinions. I know nothing beats tubes, but for those of us without the budget or need for power, what is your favourite alternative?

Line6, Behringer, Tubefusion, Transtube, Valvestate, and the others I forget... All variations included: FX units, direct recording, amps, rack-mount units...

Which one has impressed you (all things considered)? I'm talking decent tones and versatility at bedroom volumes, good recording tones, responsiveness, dynamics and value.

Oh, and happy 2006!
AirGuitarHero is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 25 (permalink) Old 01-01-2006, 03:23 AM
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 352
Re: Which modelling/hybrid technology?

Well i liked the Marshall AVT 150H, it sounded pretty cool at the time :P
The effects were good, and i got a decent sound out of it.
wallie! is offline  
post #3 of 25 (permalink) Old 01-01-2006, 05:18 PM
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Oxfordshire
Posts: 2,244
Re: Which modelling/hybrid technology?

Sorry to say it, but when I took my tube amp to the studio, it made the AVT's sound really horrible. People were thinking there was something wrong with the AVT, it's that much of a difference. So look for a good second hand tube amp, you'll be glad you did.
Ant1981 is offline  
post #4 of 25 (permalink) Old 01-01-2006, 11:22 PM Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: China
Posts: 186
Re: Which modelling/hybrid technology?

I know, I know, there's nothing like tubes and sooner or later I'll get a tube amp.

For now my GAS is under control, I'm not looking for new gear. I just want to hear opinions, for the hell of it.

Anyone?
AirGuitarHero is offline  
post #5 of 25 (permalink) Old 01-01-2006, 11:32 PM
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 537
Re: Which modelling/hybrid technology?

A solid state half stack (Randall RH200G2, Marshall MG100HDFX, B-52 LG-100A, Ibanez TB100H Tone Blaster) with a guitar processor (BOSS GT-8, Digitech GNX3000) sent to the effects loop is the way to go. All things considered.
bonehead189 is offline  
post #6 of 25 (permalink) Old 01-01-2006, 11:39 PM
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Petaling Jaya, Malaysia
Posts: 2,445
Re: Which modelling/hybrid technology?

For a hybrid amp, nothing beats a Laney Tube Fusion.
King Knall is offline  
post #7 of 25 (permalink) Old 01-02-2006, 07:32 AM
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Berlin, Germany
Posts: 2,674
Re: Which modelling/hybrid technology?

For modelling: Yamaha DG, Tech21 GT2/Trademark 10 (personal experience), and I heard good things about the Roger Linn amp sims (Adrenalinn and M-audio black box) and the Rocktron Replitone.

Both the Yamaha (I only tried the preamps) and Tech 21 were very responsive and provided some good general jazz/blues/fusion/classic rock tones, and the Tech21 ofered some nice hig-gain tones as well.

I do not like what I heard from the Digitech units, although some people can make them sound very good. VOX Valvetronix was above average, and the Behringer not too bad either (definately a good value). I haven't tried many Line6 products, I just remembered not liking the Spider very much...
pawel is offline  
post #8 of 25 (permalink) Old 01-02-2006, 09:09 AM
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Essen, Germany
Posts: 84
Re: Which modelling/hybrid technology?

Ive tried different things for bedroom volume practicing so far:

Boss VF-1 guitar multi fx w/ COSM amp modeling (9,5 " rack mount)

Behringer V-Amp 2 into stereo

Roland Micro-Cube

Tech21 Trademark 10

The Boss VF-1 and Behringer V-Amp cant be beat in terms of versatility and ease of recording - I still have both and they sound ok plugged right into my USB recording interface.
The VF-1 wins hands down in terms of FX quality. It might not be up to a T.C. Electronic G-Force, but certainly much better than the built in FX in the V-Amp. You also have more control regarding FX parameters and can change the order of all effects.
The COSM amp models are on par with the V-Amp... BUT you cannot change cabinets on the Boss unit, and only set gain to low-medium-high... a major letdown IMO.
For the quality of the amp-modeling alone, I would choose the V-Amp between the two. Taking FX into account, Id say its a draw. But then, the V-Amp is much cheaper...

Then... the Microcube.
I thought it would be funny to have a battery-powered amp that can do it all... but, both being COSM amp modelers, the Cube seemed like a very stripped-down version of the VF1, with a harsh sounding speaker added. Nice toy to bring along for a BBQ, but nothing compared to the...

...Trademark 10:

Well, I got mine used. At first I did not like it so much because it did not have enough sustain for fluid metal lead guitar... this gets much better if you crank it, but you cant imagine how loud this 10W-thing can be!
Also, the one I got made rattling noises, thats why I sold it again.

For anything from Roland JC-120 cleans to classic marshall crunch and Rectifier-like chugga-chugga rhythm, the Trademark delivered by far the best tones out of these practice solutions... and I guess that with a delay in the serial FX loop and a TS or something else for a lead boost in front, this would be everything you need. I think I might get another one, but without the rattle!

So, either Trademark 10 (+ pedals for some more versatility), or V-Amp if youre on a budget!

Cheers,
Carsten
Schutzfaktor12 is offline  
post #9 of 25 (permalink) Old 01-02-2006, 10:05 AM
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 197
Re: Which modelling/hybrid technology?

i had a tech 21 10 watt amp for awhile.......its a sweet practice amp....and it has a effects loop too
honky_tonk is offline  
post #10 of 25 (permalink) Old 01-02-2006, 11:56 AM
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 537
Re: Which modelling/hybrid technology?

I have a VOX AD50VT right now as my practice amp. It doesn't have an effects loop, because it had built in modelling effects. The AD50VT's effects: Reverb, Chorus, Delay, Flanger, Phaser, Tremelo, Auto Wah, Compression, and Rotary. Soon I'll be getting either an Ibanez Toneblaster half stack with a BOSS GT-8 effects processor, or a Randall RH200G2 half stack with a BOSS GT-8 effects processor. Mix modelling and hybrid together and you get the best of both worlds (e.g. VOX AD50VT).
bonehead189 is offline  
post #11 of 25 (permalink) Old 01-02-2006, 12:50 PM
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Posts: 2,234
Re: Which modelling/hybrid technology?

I haven't tried many of the newer things - Zoom G2, Digitech's stuff, POD stuff newer tha 2.0, Vox's stuff. Many of those are well reveiwed. But I like the V-Amp2 for its flexibility for practicing, the Yamaha DG for it's bluesy tones & ease of setup/use, and the SansAmp PSA-1 for many of its models (as a pure amp sim, I think it's still the best, and it's 15 years old!). I didn't care as much for the early PODs or the Johnson.
JESTER700 is offline  
post #12 of 25 (permalink) Old 01-02-2006, 03:56 PM
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Bloomfield, NJ
Posts: 536
Reviews: 6
Re: Which modelling/hybrid technology?

Best value in a modeller: Behringer V-AMP PRO $170 new
Best value in a modelling combo: Vox AD50VT $360 new
Best value in a hybrid or solid state head: Fender Roc-Pro 1000 $250 used (including shipping and footswitch)
Best value in a modelling head: Johnson Millenium 250 HD $450 used (including shipping and J3 footswitch)

Best sounding modeller: Vox ToneLab $300 new
Best sounding modelling combo: Line 6 VETTA II $1,700 new
Best sounding hybrid or solid state head: ?
Best sounding modelling head: Line 6 VETTA II $1,700 new
Robotechnology is offline  
post #13 of 25 (permalink) Old 01-02-2006, 06:59 PM
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 537
Re: Which modelling/hybrid technology?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Robotechnology
Best value in a modelling combo: Vox AD50VT $360 new
The Vox AD50VT is a hybrid and modelling amp. It has a 12AX7 dual-triode valve in it. That's why it's called a "Valvetronix" amp. Check out the AD50VT's Inside Story
bonehead189 is offline  
post #14 of 25 (permalink) Old 01-02-2006, 07:04 PM
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: North Adams, MA
Posts: 2,641
Re: Which modelling/hybrid technology?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ant1981
Sorry to say it, but when I took my tube amp to the studio, it made the AVT's sound really horrible. People were thinking there was something wrong with the AVT, it's that much of a difference. So look for a good second hand tube amp, you'll be glad you did.
Right on. Well then again, pretty much any tube amp completely puts an AVT to shame. Even the old valvestate Marshalls put the AVTs to shame.
red5 is offline  
post #15 of 25 (permalink) Old 01-03-2006, 11:49 AM
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Bloomfield, NJ
Posts: 536
Reviews: 6
Re: Which modelling/hybrid technology?

When I said hybrid, I was thinking about it the traditional way:

Tube Preamp
Solid State Power Amp section

Valvetronix is the opposite.
-----
Also, I haven't used my AD50VT for recording but, I have for live use. EVERY time I've received a compliment on my tone.
Robotechnology is offline  
Reply

Tags
amp modeler , clean tone , johnson millenium , marshall avt , marshall valvestate , power amp , practice amp , sansamp psa , solid state head , solid state power amp , tube amp , tube amps , tube head , tube preamp , valve amps , vox tonelab , vox valvetronix

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Jemsite forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address

IMPORTANT: You will be required to activate your account so please ensure that your email address is correct.

If you do not receive your activation check your spam folder before using the CONTACT US form (at the bottom right of each page).



Email Address:
OR

Log-in










 
Similar Searches

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Swing Guitars Technology!~ bigrockshow All Other Guitars (including Prestige) 6 11-13-2007 02:38 AM
Pickups debate - old technology shredder87_rob Pickups & wiring 22 03-03-2007 02:19 PM
New Technology jim777 Off-topic / Miscellaneous 9 01-26-2007 08:03 PM
Di Marzio Virtual-Vintage technology?! plyta Tech: Setup, Repairs and Mods 1 02-16-2006 01:17 PM
What technology was used for drawing figures on ART1&JPM Ruslan All Other Guitars (including Prestige) 50 11-07-2003 05:12 PM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome