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post #1 of 21 (permalink) Old 04-29-2003, 03:29 PM Thread Starter
 
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My god, the difference a good cabinet makes...

Well, sicne the TSL's out of commission for this evening's gig, I borrowed a friend's DSL-401 for tonight. It has enough power to cut it on its own, so I wasn't sure I was going to bother to bring my Mesa 2x12 out tonight, so I was dialing in some tones through the amp's 1x12, and I wasn't digging the results- it was a bit buzzy, and kind of "farty" in the lower registers. I began really missing the TSL.

Just for kicks, though, I switched it to the 8 ohm mode and hooked up my 2x12, and turned it back on. My god... The lows were MUCH more prominant (i had to dial back the bass knobs a lot) and much better defined, the high end was quite a bit smoother, and the mids just SANG. Suddenly I went from a fairly uninspired marshall-y tone to something much thicker and richer and creamier, nearly as good as what my TSL could do (although, i think the 401 may have a bit more gain on tap, with it's gain boost circut). I don't know what it is, the cab construction, the number of speakers, or the Vintage 30's instead of the celestion/marshall speaker in there, but it was like night and day.

I knew cab's could make a difference in your tone, but I never knew it was THAT big a difference... I'm really glad I went for the Mesa cab instead of the marshall now.

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post #2 of 21 (permalink) Old 04-29-2003, 03:55 PM
 
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So it's a 1x12 combo? Open back?

Yeah, huge difference between that and a closed-back 2x12 or 4x12. Open-back cabs sound okay clean (nice and airy), but as soon as you start trying to push a lot of air with them, i find they get flubby.

The Mesa 2x12 Rectifier cab does kick ass.
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3/4 back, with a mesh covering going the rest of the way up.

This was all at low, dorm-approved volumes, with the volume knob in the 2-3 range. Like I said, I'm not sure exactly what it is, but whatever the case is, I think I'll be holding onto this cab for a long time, until I need something bigger.

-Drew
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post #4 of 21 (permalink) Old 04-29-2003, 04:23 PM
 
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Oh yes, cabs make a huge difference in your sound. In my search for a thick & warm, yet crushing tone, I've owned several cabs. I was VERY surprised to find out that the most awesome cab I've ever heard turned out to be the LEAST costly! BONUS!
Survey says....The Behringer 4x12 straight cab.

Here are the cabs I've owned, list in order from best sound to the worst sound w/ current market prices
1. Behringer 4x12 straight $199
2. Genz Benz G-Flex 2x12 $499
3. Peavey 4x12 $420
4. Mesa Recto 4x12 $800
5. Marshall 4x12 / 2x12 $699

Don't the believe all the hype. Your ears will tell you all you need to know.
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post #5 of 21 (permalink) Old 04-29-2003, 04:35 PM
 
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I wish Behringer would do 2x12 versions of their UltraStack cabs. That would rock.

I'm currently torn between getting a Mesa 2x12, an Genz Benz G-Flex 212, and i'm also considering the Avatar G212 (and using it on its side, since they don't have the G212H available in carpet/steel grille any more).
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I've heard great things about the THD 2x12 cabs as well. I am trying to work out a test run at a dealer but he can't seem to get one in. They are horribly expensive for a 2x12, like $700 or so. I currently run a mesa 2x12 and although I agree it is a good cabinet, I find it pretty strong in the mids for my tastes. The THD is supposedly more balanced and it weighs about half as much which would be very cool. It's not wide enough to accomodate the TSL on top of it, but I plan on using an amp stand anyway for my cabinets.
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5. Marshall 4x12 / 2x12 $699
Guess which one I have I swear, I'm selling all of my stuff and starting over.

I can't believe those Behringers are good. Don't they weigh a ton, though? I read the specs and it doesn't sound like they use wood, "MPF board" or something.
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5. Marshall 4x12 / 2x12 $699
Guess which one I have I swear, I'm selling all of my stuff and starting over.

I can't believe those Behringers are good. Don't they weigh a ton, though? I read the specs and it doesn't sound like they use wood, "MPF board" or something.
Oh relax, dude. It's just my personal opinion. To each his own. Yes, the Behringers do weight a ton, but they are pretty deep cabs. Don't knock anything until you try it first-hand.
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My current favorite cab is a Mesa 1x12... it's ported, and has a 12" EV 200w speaker in it. It's small and it pushes almost obscene amounts of air. I use it with my Mark IV and Nomad 45 when I need that extra push over the edge!

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Is that the Thiele Design cab? I haven't been able to find any more info on those. I do like ported cabs... especially for 7-string.
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Oh relax, dude. It's just my personal opinion. To each his own. Yes, the Behringers do weight a ton, but they are pretty deep cabs. Don't knock anything until you try it first-hand.
I'm not knocking the Behringer at all, it's just the price always made me ignore it. I'll definitely try one next time I see one. Problem with mine is, I never compared it to anything. Just bought it because it said "Marshall" on the front. Never even plugged into it.
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I didn't get a chance to A/B mine either. I was going solely on several recommendations and the logic that since a lot of the newer rock players were using mesa heads with marshall cabs to restrain the bass a little bit and that I thought the TSL was a touch weak in the bass, then if I reversed the setup I'd probably get something I liked. (yep. )

The fact it's so middy is the thing I love about it- it's got this smooth singing lead voice, just unreal.

-Drew
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Grrr another week or so and I should have my Rivera stereo C212 cab for my TBR-1SL.. I've been playing it through my Mark IV's open back 1x12 so far.
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sound w/ current market prices
1. Behringer 4x12 straight $199
2. Genz Benz G-Flex 2x12 $499
3. Peavey 4x12 $420
4. Mesa Recto 4x12 $800
5. Marshall 4x12 / 2x12 $699

Don't the believe all the hype. Your ears will tell you all you need to know.
I hav thought about getting myself a Behringer..so its a good buy ?
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I was VERY surprised to find out that the most awesome cab I've ever heard turned out to be the LEAST costly! BONUS!
Survey says....The Behringer 4x12 straight cab.
With stock speakers?
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