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post #1 of 15 (permalink) Old 10-18-2010, 08:17 AM Thread Starter
 
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Paul Gilbert Tone-all for around 900??

Whats up every one,

--Im in search of that elusive Gilbert tone but all on a budget-$900 USD if possible. Im all set with the guitar-sort of-(schecter with PAF's) but the amp is lacking BIG TIME. Right now its a Fender ultimate chorus SS &old digitech multi. Im ready to upgrade.

I'm fairly certain about what the idea is: Laney combo (this will be played at home and small gigs), tube screamer, digi delay but I need different perspectives. So if you would, throw out some ideas to get this tone with different combinations of amps and effects.

--Thanks to all
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post #2 of 15 (permalink) Old 10-18-2010, 02:44 PM
 
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Re: Paul Gilbert Tone-all for around 900??

The new Majik Box Fuzz Universe Overdrive/Booster (PG's newest signiture pedal) would probably be better than a tubescreamer, delay isnt too important as its very rarely used by Paul, and as for and amp, a Laney LC30, which I think has a very similar lead channel to that of the GH100L which Paul used before the switch to marshall, would work well.
His Airplane flanger would be good if you want that big swooping "Flange of death" sound but isn't necessary for the core tone. And a Dimarzio ToneZone pickup in the bridge of your guitar would give you a very PG-esque tone. Also Pick REALLY hard Lol
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hahah and use a powerdrill with pick attached..Ill look into the LC30..Would you happen to kno the difference between the LC30 and VC30? Those effects would be run in front and not through the loop I take it? Thanks again!

More input is welcomed from all!
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Re: Paul Gilbert Tone-all for around 900??

Most of PG's tone comes from the way he plays. So roll back the gain, angle the pick and pick really hard. That should get you closer
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hahah and use a powerdrill with pick attached..Ill look into the LC30..Would you happen to kno the difference between the LC30 and VC30? Those effects would be run in front and not through the loop I take it? Thanks again!

More input is welcomed from all!
The LC30 has alot more gain and has a more modern voicing than the VC30 I actually own the VC15 and think its great but would need an OD for PG tones.
The VC50 combo which Paul used is now discountinued and is infact not part of the current VC range and is the combo version of the VH100R head.
As for the effects Paul runs everything infront of the amp, but traditionally time and modulation effects (delays, chorus, flanger, reverb etc) would go in the FX loop
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Re: Paul Gilbert Tone-all for around 900??

those paf pro pickups with an rg body? rg 550?
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Most of PG's tone comes from the way he plays. So roll back the gain, angle the pick and pick really hard. That should get you closer
Au contraire, Paul had the gain on his Laneys CRANKED when he still used them.
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post #8 of 15 (permalink) Old 10-30-2010, 03:31 PM Thread Starter
 
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Re: Paul Gilbert Tone-all for around 900??

I guess the logical mini set up (bedroom playing and small gigs) would be to go with either the LC15 or VC15 and get a tube-screamer, mxr 90, and EQ pedal. What do you guys think? Also, has anyone tried his new Fuzz Universe pedal? You think this is a solid setup?
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Au contraire, Paul had the gain on his Laneys CRANKED when he still used them.
He had the regular gain pegged, but anyone who's ever owned a GH100/50L will tell you that's like having the gain on a JCM800 cranked. Typically he didn't use the Laney's "Drive Boost", he used the TS9 instead.

These are his exact settings:


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Re: Paul Gilbert Tone-all for around 900??

I assume you were referring to having both the Gain and Drive knobs cranked with your JCM800 comment, because diming only the Gain knob normally doesn't give much distortion at all.

And I SWEAR I remember either seeing some pics or reading something from PG a few months ago about him having the Gain and Drive settings pretty high, as well as having the Presence at like 10. But of course I can't find it now, and I can't remember how I found it in the first place.
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I assume you were referring to having both the Gain and Drive knobs cranked with your JCM800 comment, because diming only the Gain knob normally doesn't give much distortion at all.

And I SWEAR I remember either seeing some pics or reading something from PG a few months ago about him having the Gain and Drive settings pretty high, as well as having the Presence at like 10. But of course I can't find it now, and I can't remember how I found it in the first place.
Paul switched to Marshall Vintage Moderns a couple years ago, and they have 2 drive knobs also(detail and body).

With both gains pegged on a GH100/50L you have about as much gain as an overdrive boosted JCM800. It's way more gain than a stock 800 will produce, as they don't have that much gain in the first place. My GH50L had 800 gain with the drive off, when I had it.

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Re: Paul Gilbert Tone-all for around 900??

PS: I agree with the pick attack and technique over gain, if you listen to any of Paul's instructional stuff you'll notice he plays with more of a twangy, lower gain tone, and still sounds awesome.

I had a GH50L for a number of years, and never sounded like Gilbert.
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Re: Paul Gilbert Tone-all for around 900??

check out the racer x board, obviously loads of stuff on PG over there http://racerx.edutom.co.uk/board/vie...718e3a65fdea2e that thread is dedicated to his gear, but there are also threads on laneys/marshalls so you should be able to get a good grasp on an aproach to his gear, but you're not gonna sound like Paul without the right technique.
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Re: Paul Gilbert Tone-all for around 900??

you can often find an old ADA MP-1 preamp for cheap, if you are looking for more of the old school PG sound. Pair it with some form of sonic maximizer and a tube poweramp and you will have a great tone.

One thing i will say about the mp1 is that the eq section on it is a little fussy in the midrange band, i usually find myself leaving the mids set to 0 (its active EQ so zero is basically in the middle) and running a parametric eq in the loop to boost a certain upper mid band slightly to give it that bark. And also the sonic max really helps beefen the lowend when used properly. Most people ive seen that use them will crank the knobs, but if you back them off to about 2 or 3 it gives it a slight push that richens it instead of makes it super digital sounding
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Re: Paul Gilbert Tone-all for around 900??

I occasionally spot Metaltronix heads on the Bay. Some folks claim that tone is in the fingers--sorry, I don't drink that Kool-aid. When I plug one of my Evo equipped Rgs into my Legacy, I get a very good Vai tone.I have also successfully recreated Lynch, Rhoads, Tagasaki, DeMartini, and EVH tones.



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