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post #1 of 17 (permalink) Old 12-23-2005, 01:16 AM Thread Starter
 
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planet waves locking tuners and setup?

I was thinking about getting the planet waves tuners on my RG and my Jem... do you think this would be a problem with setting up my guitar when I have to loosen the string to move the saddle?

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post #2 of 17 (permalink) Old 12-23-2005, 01:44 AM
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Re: planet waves locking tuners and setup?

I talked with a guitar tech at my local store about those tuners. He said they get alot of them back in because they're cheaply made and they loose their cutting ability after a while. He said they definately have some good, thoughtful ideas, but the production quality just isn't that great.

He said Sperzels are THE tuners, and after trying some guitars with Sperzels, I must agree. They're awesome. Schaller makes some that are pretty good as well.

I would reccomend Sperzels. Just get yourself a nice pair of heavy duty wire cutters and string clipping is a snap.
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Re: planet waves locking tuners and setup?

Sperzels break and slip a lot too. I've had much better luck with the Schallers myself.
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Re: planet waves locking tuners and setup?

I have some Sperzels and they've never slipped for me, you have to make sure you tighten them enough, although still only hand tight
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Re: planet waves locking tuners and setup?

I know that much. They were decent with 9s, but 10s or 11s forget it. They would always slip and when I tighten them more they break so they no longer lock.

I need to replace my current set yet again. This time I think I will try something else, like Schallers.
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post #6 of 17 (permalink) Old 12-23-2005, 11:28 PM Thread Starter
 
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Re: planet waves locking tuners and setup?

ok thanks... but how do you do a set-up if you want to slack the string?????
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I've used 10's and 11's and they've still given me no problems, and I've never tightened them down to the point of the breaking. Maybe I just have a really nice set(possibly a quality control problem???)... I dunno either that or luck
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I've used 10's and 11's and they've still given me no problems, and I've never tightened them down to the point of the breaking. Maybe I just have a really nice set(possibly a quality control problem???)... I dunno either that or luck
You're lucky. I'm getting Schallers or probably just non lockers for it as soon as I get the cash together.
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Re: planet waves locking tuners and setup?

Why do you want locking tuners on a Jem or RG? Both have locking nuts, so locking tuners are overkill. Unless it's a lower end RG, then it's debatable whether it's worth the investment. The stock Gotohs are fine, if you have a problem with one of those, just replace it with another Gotoh.
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Re: planet waves locking tuners and setup?

???

Why would it be overkill?

Do you know how locking tuners work?


String changing is hard enough with a floyd, and locking tuners would make it alot easier and faster and frustration-free. Thats the main benefit I see from locking tuners.
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???

Why would it be overkill?

Do you know how locking tuners work?


String changing is hard enough with a floyd, and locking tuners would make it alot easier and faster and frustration-free. Thats the main benefit I see from locking tuners.
I don't find locking tuners easier to change strings on at all. I actually think they create more work for me. The point of locking tuners is so the strings don't slip, but with a locking nut there is no point, and locking tuners are not as trem friendly either as the strings can still get stuck in the nut.
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Re: planet waves locking tuners and setup?

*scratches head*

Its ALOT easier, Instead of winding the string around the post over and over,

You just run it though tight, clamp, snip, and tune! Couldn't be faster.


Your not winding the string around the post with locking tuners are you?
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Your not winding the string around the post with locking tuners are you?
Anybody with common sense would realise that on locking trem guitars you need those extra turns on the machine head, because the string is most likely to break at the trem. If you just put it straight through you wont have anywhere near enough string to restring. with the extra turns you have enough to restring using the old string instead of buying a new one. To me, locking tuners on a double-locking trem guitar seem pretty pointless and more of a hassle in the long run anyway. Each to his own though.
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Anybody with common sense would realise that on locking trem guitars you need those extra turns on the machine head, because the string is most likely to break at the trem. If you just put it straight through you wont have anywhere near enough string to restring. with the extra turns you have enough to restring using the old string instead of buying a new one. To me, locking tuners on a double-locking trem guitar seem pretty pointless and more of a hassle in the long run anyway. Each to his own though.
I used to be really hard on strings, breaking a set every 2 or 3 days, but now I try to make them last until they sound bad. Usually by that time if a string breaks it needed to be changed anyways. Locking tuners do save plenty of time, and from the first time of lockdown they do stretch enough for them to break at the trem once and still be long enough to restring...once
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Re: planet waves locking tuners and setup?

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???

Why would it be overkill?

Do you know how locking tuners work?


String changing is hard enough with a floyd, and locking tuners would make it alot easier and faster and frustration-free. Thats the main benefit I see from locking tuners.
Yes, I have Sperzels on my ESP Eclipse, I find them more of a pain than regular tuners, but they stay in tune nicely. And I've been doing this for around 25+ years. I'll stick to regular tuners on my locking trem guitars, I have better things to spend $60 on, and like I said, I find regular tuners easier. If you have a problem stringing a guitar, well, no comment.

For poor man's locking tuner on guitars that you have to cut the balls off the string anyway, string it backwards, run the string through the tuner pull it so the ball end locks in the tuner, cut the string off, lock it in the trem, voila. And it only needs a couple of turns on the tuner, like a locking one. The bonus is that you also now won't poke you finger with the nasty ends of the little strings. This sometimes won't work on huge strings though, like low Bs on 7 strings, the ball end is often too big to go through the tuner hole.

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