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post #1 of 45 (permalink) Old 05-03-2003, 12:41 PM Thread Starter
 
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Preamp owners, please read!

Hey guys!
I'm in the process of researching some preamps for a future purchase, and a few names keep coming up: The ADA MP-1, the ADA MP-2, the Rocktron Chemeleon, Voodu Valve, and Pirahna.
See, there's pretty much NO music stores where i live, so i can't just go and try out these units and spend my time with them like i'd like to. So, i'm going to need your all's help! If anybody owns any of these preamps, could you please post some sound samples? If i get any of them, i also plan on getting a Peavey Classic 50/50 power amp. Please don't post samples of the preamp running through all kinds of EQ's and other sound-processing devices. Just the stright up tone of the preamp running through a power amp. I mostly play music in the prog-metal genre. A unique, high-gain, heavy, Petrucci-like tone { think: 6-Degrees era DT } would be good ! I also need a high-gain, liquidy, Paul Gilbert kind of lead tone. Or any kind of beautiful lead sound, really! But my band also does some pretty damn heavy stuff { we cover a Meshuggah tune or two }, so i need some kind of HUGE, heavy distortion. I'm not too picky about clean tones, but show me what your preamp can do in this genre, too. Oh, and ADA owners... can you get the elusive Nuno-tone out of this unit { i love his tone on Pornographitti }?
Please help, any input is appreciated!!!
Thanks,
Ben
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Re: Preamp owners, please read!

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Hey guys!
I'm in the process of researching some preamps for a future purchase, and a few names keep coming up: The ADA MP-1, the ADA MP-2, the Rocktron Chemeleon, Voodu Valve, and Pirahna.
See, there's pretty much NO music stores where i live, so i can't just go and try out these units and spend my time with them like i'd like to. So, i'm going to need your all's help! If anybody owns any of these preamps, could you please post some sound samples? If i get any of them, i also plan on getting a Peavey Classic 50/50 power amp. Please don't post samples of the preamp running through all kinds of EQ's and other sound-processing devices. Just the stright up tone of the preamp running through a power amp. I mostly play music in the prog-metal genre. A unique, high-gain, heavy, Petrucci-like tone { think: 6-Degrees era DT } would be good ! I also need a high-gain, liquidy, Paul Gilbert kind of lead tone. Or any kind of beautiful lead sound, really! But my band also does some pretty damn heavy stuff { we cover a Meshuggah tune or two }, so i need some kind of HUGE, heavy distortion. I'm not too picky about clean tones, but show me what your preamp can do in this genre, too. Oh, and ADA owners... can you get the elusive Nuno-tone out of this unit { i love his tone on Pornographitti }?
Please help, any input is appreciated!!!
Thanks,
Ben





I suggest you the ADA MP-1 (then you could put Groove Tubes)
or the Marshall JMP-1 (with RFT tubes).

Forget Rocktron and other toys.
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post #3 of 45 (permalink) Old 05-03-2003, 02:04 PM
 
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Get the JMP1, hands down a way way way better amp than any of the ones you listed. No questions asked.
The ADA MP1 and 2 are toys, not pro gear at all.
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post #4 of 45 (permalink) Old 05-03-2003, 04:10 PM
 
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I owned a ADA MP-1 years ago. It can be made to sound great, just like the pod pros, etc....IF you are willing to spend the time with it programing it. The presets are kinda a jumping off point, but next to useless in gigging/studio situations. The MP-1 I owned pumped out ALOT of noise as well..maybe there was something wrong with my unit...but. Something I would recommend is the Mesa recto recording pre amp..it can be used in home recording/studio situations as well as in performances. I do not currently have one, but it will be my next gear purchase. Like I said I have owned a MP-1 and a Pod pro, and for my needs they did not make the cut. I understand price is an issue for most people, perhaps not in your situation, and the ADA's are relatively cheap on e bay right now...it kinda depends on how bad you need the pre amp now verses saving up some cash and getting something that will make you happy in the long run...just my thoughts Tobe
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post #5 of 45 (permalink) Old 05-03-2003, 04:25 PM
 
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I actually bought a Chameleon recently.....it was dirt cheap and I couldn't pass it up. I was actually quite pleased with the tone. Like any preamp it takes a lot of patience and tweaking....but I've gotten some good sounds out of it.

I also just bought a Voodoo Lab preamp....I heard good things about...so you might want to check that out.
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post #6 of 45 (permalink) Old 05-03-2003, 08:52 PM
 
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The ADA preamps will give you some of the best rock/metal tones you will ever hear. The cleans are just ok. Keep in mind though, if you pick up one of the ADA's you will want to pick up a BBE Sonic Maximizer to go with it. The combination of the two makes for some killer tone.

I honestly prefer the MP-2, but the MP-1 is a damn good unit also.

And although I never played with :P "Infectious Grooves" :P As a professional musician I can say that the ADA's are not toys.
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post #7 of 45 (permalink) Old 05-03-2003, 10:47 PM
 
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yeah, I've been using the BBE for all my preamps...it makes all the difference.
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post #8 of 45 (permalink) Old 05-04-2003, 08:06 AM
 
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I rather liked my Piranaha, actually much more than the MP-1 I had previously. Crystal clean to very high gain, and the flexibility with the mid shift in amazing...a tweaker's delight.

I've always thought the Chameleon and Voodu Valve were great units for the money (you get pretty good effets inthe package)...but IMHO the Piranha is more pro-level, has more presence like a real amp.
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Sorry, I can't post clips.

I've tried a lot of preamps. I currently have a pair of Voodu Valves, and am...uh, 96% satisfied. Yeah, that's it. The Voodu has good tone across the whole gain spectrum and usable effects built in. The built in noise reduction is miraculous. Through a good power amp and a 4x12 it will make you a believer. It does have a couple of flaws. On high gain patches, you will sometimes hear some odd digital artifacts when notes decay. Most of the time you'll never even get this to happen, but I'm a perfectionist. Also, forget any notions of going direct to a mixing board with this. It sounds awful. It may have XLR outputs, but don't be fooled. Other than that, I have yet to find anything that comes close in quality and versatility. My current rig is a Voodu->Digitech IPS-33B->Mesa 20/20->Mesa 4x12 Half Back. No complaints.

The Chameleon is just a Voodu without the tube. I haven't tried one, but I understand that it sounds just as good on high gain, but the low gains and cleans suffer a lot. This makes sense. I used to use a Rocktron ProGAP which is like the great grandfather of the Chameleon. It had really good gain sounds and lousy cleans--and it didn't have a tube.

Haven't tried a Pirahna.

The MP-1 can be good. Many years ago, I tried two of them and the both were pathetic. At that point I stopped looking at them, but recently I'd been reading on the internet that they sound so good, so I broke down and tried one more. In fact, it did sound great. I brought along the Nuno patch from one of the ADA sites, and darned if it didn't come close... These units seem to be very inconsistent. In addition, they are noisy beyond belief. An external noise gate is mandatory. I guess for the price of an effects pedal, it's worth picking one up...I didn't, though. The MP-2 is a joke. Avoid it.

Just another opinion to kick around...
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post #10 of 45 (permalink) Old 05-04-2003, 09:31 PM
 
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JMP-1 with RFT tubes + Mesa 2:90 with the Deep switch on.

Thatīs it.
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I'd like to know why some people think the MP-2 is crap. The opinions on this unit seem to vary wildly!
I've done some more research, and i've found that there's a few Mesa preamps that go for pretty cheap, too. The Studio Tube Preamp and the V-Twin tube preamp, in particular. Has anyone tried either of these units? From what i understand, Mesa is the way to go for prog metal.
I've heard a lot of talk about the Marshall JPM-1, but i'm honestly not too much of a fan of typical Marshal tone.
Thanks for all the help, guys, keep it coming and post sound clips if possible!
Ben
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I tried two MP-1s and the both were pathetic. I brought along the Nuno patch from one of the ADA sites, and darned if it didn't come close... These units seem to be very inconsistent. In addition, they are noisy beyond belief.
Pete,
next time try one with fresh tubes. those things are on the market since the 80s, and it comes natural that the tubes, after 20 years, might be a bit exhaust, since most owners dont replace them before they sell it, as they say.
get a pair of 12AX7s, put them in an MP-1 and let us know if it's still inconsistent.
do you really think ppl like Nuno, Gilbert and Metallica used to use anything inconsistent?
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I think the ADA MP-1 is great, I have used one for the last 10 years. Very reliable, slightly noisy yes, but I use a noise gate so am not bothered by it.

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Get the JMP1, hands down a way way way better amp than any of the ones you listed. No questions asked.
The ADA MP1 and 2 are toys, not pro gear at all.
Please avoid posting opinion as fact

Paul Gilbert, Nuno and Steve Vai and a number of other musicians would disagree.
MP-1 was used on Extreme, Mr. Big albums and on Passion and Warfare
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MP-1 was used on Passion and Warfare
really?!?
i didnt know that! what tracks? what parts?
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MP-1 was used on Passion and Warfare
really?!?
i didnt know that! what tracks? what parts?
not sure, but it is listed in the equipment used on the album
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