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post #1 of 10 (permalink) Old 08-25-2005, 04:30 PM Thread Starter
 
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Questions.....Please Help!!!!

1) For that early Vai tone, i.e. DLR to P&W, would a JCM 800 or 900 be better? I can't afford a Legacy, but I can pick up an 8/900 pretty cheap. Obviously I don't want to copy his tone, but that kinda sound is what I want.

2) Can you recommend me a good compressor? Pedal if poss, but rack's also cool. I've looked at the Boss CS-3, but nothing else. It ws OK, but a bit fizzy. Is there anything better out there that won't cost thousands?

3) Bad Horsie 1 or 2, which is better?

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post #2 of 10 (permalink) Old 08-25-2005, 06:42 PM
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Re: Questions.....Please Help!!!!

Easy! (for me)
It's all a matter of taste.

For the PAW sound you'll need an original Universe going through a Marshall 800. Of course, his heads were modified to be hotter. Bad Horsie 1 is my fav, the BH2 is a little whiney for my taste.

Remember, an 800 is a single channel amp while the 900 has 2 and a few more options, but the sound of an 800 is all it's own.
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post #3 of 10 (permalink) Old 08-25-2005, 08:01 PM
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1.) His Marshalls were modified, and so unmodified they're going to be very harsh and totally abrasive sounding for Vai stuff. If your looking for a Passion and Warefare tone,

IMO the closest you'll get from a stock amp is from the Peavey JSX. I have one, and I threw up my "Skyscraper" vinyl and started jamming on the crunch channel along with my RG550 (maple fretboard, PAF pro's and HS-2) and I was astonished how close to that tone I was. It was just about identical. I was totally impressed. Ive been in love with the Early Vai tone for a long time, and now ive got it in a very simple rig.

Dont worry about wanting to copy his tone, its a great tone, my personal favorite as well, and many others.

2. Sorry, Im not into compressors. I prefer a tubescreamer to get some slight compression on the front end of the amp.

3. I have a Morley Bad Horsie, its nice, switchless, blah blah. But its not very pronounced, its very subtle, and has a short range. It doesnt do that early vai sound very well.

On the other hand, I recently got a Dunlop Classic Crybaby, which has the fasel inductor. It sounds EXACTLY like that early Vai sound. Its much more pronounced, more exaggerated, more lifelike and vocal, it can get that great throaty rocked back tone, and it can get the honky Michael Sheinker tone because Its not switchless. I plugged it it, and hit the "Yankee Rose" laughing guitar riff, which I had been trying with my BH until now, and not really getting it, no matter what I did. But when I hit it with the crybaby. . .WOW. . it sounded dead on. My guitar became a laughing machine! Its so much more responsive, and it has a great range. IMO, its perfect. Its quite similar to the one vai used to use back in the day.

Screw the switchless feature, better tone is better tone. Its not just better, its twice as good.

If you want a more modern smooth Vai wah tone, the Bad Horsie is the one to use (because he has been using it) but if you want the old school Vai wah tone, the tone behind his famous wah abuse, is 100% crybaby.

Buy them both at the store with a credit card at Guitar Center or somewhere where they have a 30 day moneyback guarentee. Test them both out on your amp, and then return the one you dont want.
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^^Gex... I have a JCM 900 SL-X, with no clipping diodes and 4 12AX7s and it pulls off a Passion and Warfare tone pretty damn good! Keep in mind I am using a 7vwh with Evos, not PAF Pros, but it is still close. The original hi-gain 900 or the dual reverb will sound a ways off though.

You can find Lee Jackson modded plexis and JCM800 heads on **** for $700-800 if you look hard enough and wait. Then get a Jem with PAF Pros. That will be the closest Passion and Warfare tone you can get.
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closer would be a universe and not a jem
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get a crybaby wah, as Gex said. that is what vai used to use. that is all i use...they're killer. nothing against the BH. i just like the crybaby.
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^^Gex... I have a JCM 900 SL-X, with no clipping diodes and 4 12AX7s and it pulls off a Passion and Warfare tone pretty damn good! Keep in mind I am using a 7vwh with Evos, not PAF Pros, but it is still close. The original hi-gain 900 or the dual reverb will sound a ways off though.

You can find Lee Jackson modded plexis and JCM800 heads on **** for $700-800 if you look hard enough and wait. Then get a Jem with PAF Pros. That will be the closest Passion and Warfare tone you can get.

Hmm. . . .Ill look more closely next time I find a 900.
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So I can cheat has anybody got any good Vai Pod 2 tones
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post #9 of 10 (permalink) Old 08-27-2005, 07:01 AM
 
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Ok..amp's go the 800..with a ds-1 in front .wow .it's prefect..compresser go a kelnely(that isn't spelt right)but somone else can back me up on how good they are...and wah ..i reckon the bh-1 is the best but would go a crybaby any day of the week..

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post #10 of 10 (permalink) Old 08-27-2005, 08:34 AM Thread Starter
 
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Cheers guys. I'm keeping my eyes peeled for a Jackson/Arrendondo (sp?) modded Marshall, but if I can't find one I'll buy a stock 800 and have it modded by a guy near me. BTW, does anyone know what modifications Vai actually had done? There seems to be non specific reference to this on his site, or in interviews I've read from the time he was using the Marshalls. As for the wah, I own a Crybaby at the moment, but find that there's quite a bit of signal interference when using a couple of stomps. I'm going down to my local guitar shop in a bit, gonna side-by-side a Crybaby and the BH-1, also test a Boss CS-3 and see what I think.

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