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post #1 of 31 (permalink) Old 01-19-2003, 06:52 AM Thread Starter
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Recording Vocals

I'm having trouble recording te vocals on a song i'm recording. i'm using my Shure sm57 dynamic mike, and every take ends up distorted (it's a metal song, so the 'singing' is more like growling. could that be it?) i was wondering if anyone knows what i'm doing wrong. should i try a different mike? use Condensor overheads? stand a little farther from the mike? Any Hlp = Much appreciation.
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post #2 of 31 (permalink) Old 01-19-2003, 09:48 AM
 
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Yea, stand back a bit from the mic, maybe record low and turn it up in the mix after, just whatever you do, ignore how quiet it sounds in the mix you're hearing as you record. If all this fails, try something else.
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If you find the vocals still low in the mix after recording the track, dupliciate the track and it will be twice as loud. I know its not the ideal solution to have two tracks of the same vocal , but whacking up the gain will distort the single track more
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sounds like you have the trim set too high on the channel. Try turning that down a little.

I would also highly recomend investing in a better vocal mic than a 57.
You can pick up an Octava mk319 (large diaphram condenser) at guitar center for $99
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Thanks guys, i'll try again. but would using more mics help? i'm thinking of using an overhead or something...
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post #6 of 31 (permalink) Old 01-19-2003, 06:22 PM
 
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would using more mics help? i'm thinking of using an overhead or something...
No You just don't understand how to record properly. That is normal. Chances are that

1-You are Input gain to whatever you are tracking to is too high. Since screaming is present you may want to consider investing in a compressor.
OR
2-You are going from a balanced piece of equipment to unbalanced (or vice versa). Very noisy

Tell me what you are using equipment wise and we'll go over it.

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I would also highly recomend investing in a better vocal mic than a 57.
You can pick up an Octava mk319 (large diaphram condenser) at guitar center for $99
I wouldn't. Your 57 is fine. Keep your cash for a compressor.

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Yea, stand back a bit from the mic, maybe record low and turn it up in the mix after, just whatever you do, ignore how quiet it sounds in the mix you're hearing as you record. If all this fails, try something else.
That makes no sense really. Tracking too low will allow for a higher noise floor ratio. Push it later and your noise floor will be higher...bad. Never ignore how quiet your tracking instrument (or voice) sounds as you track. Make sure you get optimal levels to increase your signal to noise ratio. Lower the levels of the tracked instument for listeng purposes.
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Yea, stand back a bit from the mic, maybe record low and turn it up in the mix after, just whatever you do, ignore how quiet it sounds in the mix you're hearing as you record. If all this fails, try something else.
That makes no sense really. Tracking too low will allow for a higher noise floor ratio. Push it later and your noise floor will be higher...bad. Never ignore how quiet your tracking instrument (or voice) sounds as you track. Make sure you get optimal levels to increase your signal to noise ratio. Lower the levels of the tracked instument for listeng purposes.
Good call, I forgot that. Stupid me. Yea, standing back a tiny bit might help tho. But yea, the compresser's a good idea.
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Yea, standing back a tiny bit might help tho. But yea, the compresser's a good idea.
That's a judgment call a technician makes when listening! Standing back will result in hearing the room.
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Yea, standing back a tiny bit might help tho. But yea, the compresser's a good idea.
That's a judgment call a technician makes when listening! Standing back will result in hearing the room.
Yea. What I wouldn't give for a compressor at my Youth group. The one singer's too loud, the other is too quiet. heh
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post #10 of 31 (permalink) Old 01-20-2003, 06:47 AM Thread Starter
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hmm, well the room is really crappy (too much ambience) but i havn't got the money to fix it up. like i said, the mic is a shure sm57, and it goes through an old (very old... made in 1982) mixer, and from there right into a Roland VS-840GX digital 8 track recorder. mayber skip the mixer, cuz it makes a low humming noise...? and the compresor - should i add it after recording, or set it up in the chain? Thanks for the replys!
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Oh boy that's the one where you track to ZIP correct?

Well I know that there are users here who have made some OK recordings with this device.

The mixer could be pretty useful but here could be a problem; you are going from mic to mixer (Mic level to line level) and from there probably going from line level to Mic level. Depending on how you are set up, that is potentially problematic.

Start by removing the mixer and go straight into the mic pre's on the Roland. Here is where you will need a compressor inserted in your signal chain. Maybe there are some software ones, maybe you'll have to get some $$$ and buy one.

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I would definitely say get a condenser like the Oktava 319, or a Studio Projects B1 which isn't as dark as the Oktava. An SM57 is definitely not the ideal mic for recording vocals.
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Well, as the SM57 is the industry standard for instrument mics....the SM58 is the standard Vocal mic....dynamic cardiod, mind you.

If you want to get every little detail of your voice and the room ambience....a condenser mic (Audio Technica possibly) would be your choice...(make sure you have phantom power on your board!)

and yes, maybe stand about 12 inches from the mic....run the mic into a compressor.....just watch your levels for clipping...stay around -3dB
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An SM57 is definitely not the ideal mic for recording vocals.
Wow where do you get that from? Countless albums have been tracked using this microphone. It's fine, especially for music where the vocals are continuously belted. Ash should save his money and buy a compressor.
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An SM57 is definitely not the ideal mic for recording vocals.
Wow where do you get that from? Countless albums have been tracked using this microphone. It's fine, especially for music where the vocals are continuously belted. Ash should save his money and buy a compressor.
Yea, the mic's not a problem, get a compressor.
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