Well I went into the local Guitar Center to kill time and was just about to leave when I saw a small tan amp with the price tag of $89.99. I saw it was one of those Crate V8 Palomino amps. I decided to try it out. Not too bad clean tone. The dirt was a different story. Brand new too. The clerk says what do you think? I said the clean is good but the dirt has to go!!! So he said $50.00 and its yours. I said done. So yea I got a cool EL84 powered and one 12AX7 (both Groove Tubes) single channel amp to play with for $50.00. Ill probably use it as a clean practice amp or run an overdrive into it.