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post #1 of 17 (permalink) Old 07-24-2012, 06:45 PM Thread Starter
 
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Alright folks.

So, a few weeks ago I completed my project guitar which is a Basswood Fireman shaped body loaded with a Double Edge trem and Dimarzio Injector Pickups. This has become my main guitar since the neck on it is from a old RG560 which is maple.

My amp is a 5150 combo and I used to like it cause it can get a easy 80's sound out of it but now with this guitar I can't get anything to sound good. I spent hours researching settings and tweaking my settings to personal taste. Still nothing! Is it because of the style of pickups I'm using or what? I previously had an RG560 which sounded good on it. Hmm... What do you think? a f

oh, sometimes I've found a few settings that I liked atm but the next day I'll go back to play and it doesn't sound good anymore.

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post #2 of 17 (permalink) Old 07-24-2012, 06:51 PM
 
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What sound are you trying to get? Can you still get this sound with your old guitar?
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Unfortunaly, I can't because I broke it up into pieces. I took some pieces off that to make this new guitar and sold others and what not.

I want a classic 80's sounding tone a la Lynch, Gilbert and Vai sort of style. However, I want the tone be tight without to much noise... does that make sense?

Thanks, for responding.
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It's probably the pickups and the whole new guitar thing (although I don't have to adjust settings much to get 'my sound' when I switch up guitars). What pickups did you have in your old guitar. What are you lacking now? Not enough output? Too much output?
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Lowest common denominator dude... The amp didn't change. Your guitar did. Dramatically it sounds like. It's your new guitar's tone you don't like. One of the dangers of building customs... You just can't be sure what you'll end up with til it's done.

To get to the root of your tonal dilemma you'll need to isolate the variables that changed in your custom build. It sounds like the neck didn't change, so what's different with the body? Is the tone wood the same (I.e. was your old guitar basswood also)? Are your pickups the same? Body shape can change tone also, but I doubt going to a fireman shape would change your tone drastically.

In short, stop messing with your amp, which is the same amp you always liked before, and figure out what you did differently on your new guitar that you don't like. Pickups would be the first place I would start...
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It's probably the pickups and the whole new guitar thing (although I don't have to adjust settings much to get 'my sound' when I switch up guitars). What pickups did you have in your old guitar. What are you lacking now? Not enough output? Too much output?
Brother Bidley... Remember that other thread where we were discussing generation of one's tone from their guitar vs. their amp? Here is a perfect case in point. Both are of course very important... But changing guitars can drastically change your overall tone even with a good amp. I'm not discounting the role of the amp, but this is exactly what I was trying to describe to that other post...
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I think going from humbuckers to single coils is what's killing the tone for you, even if the Injectors are hum cancelling.
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I think going from humbuckers to single coils is what's killing the tone for you, even if the Injectors are hum cancelling.
THIS!
Plus, you mentioned a Double Edge trem. Are you using it in pickup mode, piezo mode or blending them both? Is the Double Edge wired correctly? I know that transplant couldn't have been extremely easy. Hell, the guitar I put my new DiMarzio Gravity Storm set into is my RG620x, which has the Double Edge--took much longer to wire up due to the different wiring needed and a little trial & error.



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Brother Bidley... Remember that other thread where we were discussing generation of one's tone from their guitar vs. their amp? Here is a perfect case in point. Both are of course very important... But changing guitars can drastically change your overall tone even with a good amp. I'm not discounting the role of the amp, but this is exactly what I was trying to describe to that other post...
I never said it wasn't a factor

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I think going from humbuckers to single coils is what's killing the tone for you, even if the Injectors are hum cancelling.
This! I didn't realise Injectors were single coils (too lazy to Google). Sounds like this is exactly what the problem is.
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I never said it wasn't a factor



This! I didn't realise Injectors were single coils (too lazy to Google). Sounds like this is exactly what the problem is.
Oh I know... I just thought it was funny a perfect example came up right after we are talking about it.

And YES! I didn't realize Injectors were single coils either. That will def make a HUGE difference, particularly if you're after and/or used to a "heavier" distortion tone.
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Okay, yea kinda stupid question now but I'm sure it's the pickups. I mean it's weird that when I first got it home it sounded great and loved the tone but after the newness worn off it was kinda meh to me. The new body is basswood like the other guitar. I'm thinking it's time to go amp shopping.

Alaskabat, I'm using just the pickups atm. No piezos.
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Okay, yea kinda stupid question now but I'm sure it's the pickups. I mean it's weird that when I first got it home it sounded great and loved the tone but after the newness worn off it was kinda meh to me. The new body is basswood like the other guitar. I'm thinking it's time to go amp shopping.
Wait... So you loved your amp but then you put single coils in your new guitar build and don't like the way they sound so you're going to go buy a new amp? Ummm.... Okaaaaayyyy... That's a very expensive, kinda backwards way to fix your original complaint dude. Unless you don't like your 5150 anymore and just want an excuse to buy a new amp... But you don't need an "excuse"... I'm confused...

Anyway, even a Mesa won't sound super heavy with single coils man. That's not the sound single coils are designed for. If you are missing that really heavy, saturated, distorted tone you need to put humbuckers in.
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Get yourself a single sized humbucker for the bridge, and you'll probably be a lot happier. That or a decent overdrive or boost to pick up the tone. Try the new TC Electronic Spark Booster on the 'fat' setting. Might push your tone the way you want it to be.
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Get yourself a single sized humbucker for the bridge, and you'll probably be a lot happier.
This. Much cheaper than a new amp!
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Get yourself a single sized humbucker for the bridge, and you'll probably be a lot happier. That or a decent overdrive or boost to pick up the tone. Try the new TC Electronic Spark Booster on the 'fat' setting. Might push your tone the way you want it to be.
This!

Dimarzio makes single sized Super D, TZ, etc.



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