Another pickup wiring resource thread! - Jemsite
Pickups & wiring Discussion about pickup types, replacements, recomendations, switching, wiring diagrams and sustainer systems for ANY guitar, JEMs included.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 93 (permalink) Old 03-24-2011, 01:17 AM Thread Starter
Banned
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 9,291
Reviews: 98
Exclamation Pickups, Wiring, and Color Codes

In light of Ryc's recent sticky thread about the plethora pickup questions and the same answers and links, I've put together this pickups and wiring thread to point folks to the common wiring diagram websites--the ones I go to for answers to your wiring questions:

http://www.ibanez.com/support/wiringdiagrams
http://www.guitarelectronics.com/cat...ring_diagrams/
http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/
http://www.guitarnucleus.com/schems.html
http://www.guitartechcraig.com/techwire/diagindx.htm
http://www.lennonstudios.com/pickup.html
***DiMarzio UPDATE***
DiMarzio's site has been revamped. Wiring diagrams are now available in the pickup's model page. This revamp is cool! You just click the pickup you want to see, scroll down the left side of the page to the link "Find the right wiring diagram for your guitar"--click it. Next, select the diagram you want. I love the fact that they included Ibanez specific diagrams right at the top. Click that, and you can go to model specific diagrams--way to go DiMarzio!


http://www.emgpickups.com/search/wiring
http://www.emgpickups.com/pdfs/faq/E...-Questions.pdf
http://www.projectguitar.com/tut/pickupwiring.htm

JUST ADDED--***I've been telling folks about LonePhantom's "Taming the Tone Zone" mod when muddiness complaints come up. So, here's the link to his page where you can find the info and mod tutorial:
http://www.lonephantom.com/category/diy/pickups/

JUST ADDED --***Guitarheads Pickup Wiring info and diagrams***--see page 3/post #35

JUST ADDED--***GFS (Guitar Fetish) pickup wiring diagrams***--see page 3/post #36

JUST ADDED--***Ibanez Pickups DC Resistance chart***--see page 3/post #37

JUST ADDED--***May11, 2011***--see page 3/post #38
I forgot that our good buddy Bancika has some great DIY stuff on his site! Here's the link to his Guitar Wiring 101 page:
http://diy-fever.com/misc/guitar-wiring-101/
Great stuff here, and info on wiring multipole switches, too.

JUST ADDED--***Aug 24, 2011***--see page 3 post #42
Our very own rickybaby1985 came up with some invaluable DiMarzio pickups output and EQ comparison charts--everyone give him a big thanks for taking the time to create these.


here are some pics of different pickup manufacturer's wire colors:


http://www.guitar-repairs.co.uk/guit...lour_codes.htm


Here's some good info on soldering:
http://www.stewmac.com/freeinfo/Elec...soldering.html
http://www.jag-stang.com/faq/general...uitar-pickups/
http://www.colomar.com/Shavano/soldering.html
http://www.guitar-repairs.co.uk/guit...ifications.htm
http://www.wikihow.com/Install-Guitar-Pickups
http://www.repairmyguitar.com/articl...uitar-pickups/

Everything you ever wanted to know about potentiometers (pots):
http://sound.westhost.com/pots.htm
http://www.geofex.com/article_folder...s/potscret.htm
http://www.generalguitargadgets.com/...dio-log-linear



Adjusting pickup height:
http://www.projectguitar.com/tut/aph.htm

Here are some good resources for installing a killswitch:

http://www.instructables.com/id/Guit...Strat.-design/

http://www.bigappleguitar.com/guitar-killswitch-wiring/

http://www.guitarelectronics.com/pro...te-Switch.html

Other good wiring info:
The diagram shows how to do this with a multipole 5-way (VLX91) Ibanez Part# 3PS1VLX91.




Quite a few Ibanez guitars will use a standard YM-50 5-way switch. It looks like this...

In order to have the switch work as it does with a standard middle single coil pickup, you need to replace the switch with Ibanez Part# 3PS1VLX91. It look like this...


Here is the pin assignment for the VLX91, in case you want to know how the switch works with the wiring diagram.


Common switch terminal connections added 04/14/2012

Please use this info as a guide before you start firing off, "Need help wiring my XXXXX."




Last edited by AlaskaBat; 04-15-2012 at 03:35 AM.
AlaskaBat is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 93 (permalink) Old 03-24-2011, 06:28 PM Thread Starter
Banned
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 9,291
Reviews: 98
Re: Another pickup wiring resource thread!

Here are some more.

Soldering 101:
http://www.kingbass.com/soldering101.html

Great info on switches:
http://www.1728.com/guitar.htm

More Wiring Resources:
http://www.guitarnuts.com/wiring/index.php



AlaskaBat is offline  
post #3 of 93 (permalink) Old 03-24-2011, 07:20 PM
 
RGTFanatic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: New Lenox, IL-USA
Posts: 10,116
Reviews: 2
Re: Another pickup wiring resource thread!

Great Info here!!!! Thanks AB!!!
RGTFanatic is offline  
post #4 of 93 (permalink) Old 03-24-2011, 08:21 PM Thread Starter
Banned
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 9,291
Reviews: 98
Re: Another pickup wiring resource thread!

I hope people will see this and use the info before jumping into he "How do I?" Threads. Every time I answer one of those with a diagram, these are the sites I get them from.



AlaskaBat is offline  
post #5 of 93 (permalink) Old 03-24-2011, 08:49 PM
 
RGTFanatic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: New Lenox, IL-USA
Posts: 10,116
Reviews: 2
Re: Another pickup wiring resource thread!

I'd love to see this sticky'd as well. It's a one stop shop for everything electronic.

MODS!!! may I please request that this be stickied????
RGTFanatic is offline  
post #6 of 93 (permalink) Old 03-24-2011, 08:51 PM
 
RGTFanatic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: New Lenox, IL-USA
Posts: 10,116
Reviews: 2
Re: Another pickup wiring resource thread!

Quote:
Originally Posted by AlaskaBat View Post
I hope people will see this and use the info before jumping into he "How do I?" Threads. Every time I answer one of those with a diagram, these are the sites I get them from.
Yup, that's the same thing I do too....LMAO

every time I see some oddball guitar model, I have to go onto "the internet" (don't know if you've heard about it...it's really cool) and look up THEIR guitar to find out what it is......

GOOD TIMES!!!! lol
RGTFanatic is offline  
post #7 of 93 (permalink) Old 03-25-2011, 05:17 AM
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: indonesia
Posts: 2,548
Re: Another pickup wiring resource thread!

I have some questions that I can't find the answers there...

1. Does the potentio effect to the output, noise, and tone ?
For example : Dimarzio 500K pot vs Original Ibanez 500K pot, any different in output, noise level, and tone?

2. Same thing with the switch :
Dimarzio 15dollars 5-way line switch vs No-brand 1 dollar 5 way switch, Is there any different in output, noise level, and tone?

My current case :
Ibanez USA custom, original pots and switch ( dimarzio), with Dimarzio Pickups.
Ibanez Japan prestige, original pots and switch from ibanez, Dimarzio pickups.
They both has shielding inside the electronic cavity.
They both wired original from factory.
They both has the same pickup heights to the strings.
The Ibanez USA is X2N
The Ibanez Japan is Tone Zone.

The result : while playing with distortion, straight to the amp, no fx :
Ibanez Japan is making more noise than the USA custom.

What do you think guys?
psychoshredder is offline  
post #8 of 93 (permalink) Old 03-25-2011, 06:06 AM
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Serbia
Posts: 572
Reviews: 2
Re: Another pickup wiring resource thread!

Pots of the same value will have the same output when maxed. However, there are few things to consider when choosing pots:

* Taper: two common tapers are linear and logarithmic and latter are used in 90% of guitars. Unlike linear pots, there are huge differences in logarithmic tapers between different manufacturers. True logarithmic curve is almost impossible to recreate, so different manufacturers use different approximations of the logarithmic curve. Now, why is this important to us? Because they will behave differently when pot is not maxed. Better logarithmic taper will increase the volume steadily throughout the pot travel, while not so good ones will have sudden jumps (usually in 0-5 range) and dead spots (almost no change in volume when you move from 7 to 10 for instance). Good audio taper makes the volume pot much more useful, as I found when switched from ibanez (prestige) pots to bourns sealed pots. I found some chart that shows how big the difference can get

The bourns pot I mentioned is close to gibson pot on this chart (red line), note that at 50% of the travel it only reaches 10% of the resistance. That makes it very good for volume swells because it doesn't suddenly jump when turned from 0 to 1
* Tolerance: pot value tolerance is usually 20% which means that your 500K pot can easily measure 600K but also 400K. That can make the difference in output (bigger = louder) and tone (bigger = brighter), even between two pots of the same model. For consistent results, try to measure pots with the ohm meter (across outer lugs) and get ones that are closer to the expected value.
* Technology: there are two common technologies used these days - carbon composition (more common) and conductive plastic (more expensive). They both work fine, but carbon is supposed to wear out sooner and become noisy when the pot is turned.
* Power rating: although there's almost no current and power to speak of, bigger power rating is supposed to be less noisy. Usual ratings are between 0.1W to 0.5W or even better. Small 16mm pots usually don't have the power rating over 0.125W, so I'd use them only when there's no space to fit a proper 24mm pot.
* Case construction: there's an option of open and sealed pots. While former are much more common (due to cost), getting sealed pots is a good idea when swapping pots. They won't get scratchy because of the dust and won't require cleaning.

As far as switches go, differences between cheaper and expensive ones are more mechanical than sonic because they do nothing to the signal other than rout it from pickups to output or ground. Cheap ones will wear out sooner and they won't make as good contact as they should. That could result in low output, intermittent volume loss, noise, etc.

Hope it helps.

Last edited by bancika; 03-25-2011 at 11:33 AM.
bancika is offline  
post #9 of 93 (permalink) Old 03-25-2011, 11:16 AM Thread Starter
Banned
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 9,291
Reviews: 98
Re: Another pickup wiring resource thread!

To add to what Banika has mentiones--log pots are also called audio pots. You'll see an A stamped on them, and a ; stamped on linear pots. Most guitars have log pots, while effects use a combination. Threre are even reverse audio pots like the one found on the MXR dist+ .



AlaskaBat is offline  
post #10 of 93 (permalink) Old 03-25-2011, 11:17 AM
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: indonesia
Posts: 2,548
Re: Another pickup wiring resource thread!

Quote:
Originally Posted by bancika View Post
Cheap ones will wear out sooner and they won't make as good contact as they should. That could result in low output, intermittent volume loss, noise, etc.

Hope it helps.
that's it! that's the explanation I've been looking for..

thanks dude..
psychoshredder is offline  
post #11 of 93 (permalink) Old 03-25-2011, 11:32 AM
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Serbia
Posts: 572
Reviews: 2
Re: Another pickup wiring resource thread!

Quote:
Originally Posted by AlaskaBat View Post
To add to what Banika has mentiones--log pots are also called audio pots. You'll see an A stamped on them, and a ; stamped on linear pots. Most guitars have log pots, while effects use a combination. Threre are even reverse audio pots like the one found on the MXR dist+ .
there are some other tapers, like S (tubescreamer tone knob) or W (graphic EQ sliders). It's interesting that some makers mark log=audio=A and linear=B, while few others do the opposite.
bancika is offline  
post #12 of 93 (permalink) Old 03-25-2011, 11:56 AM Thread Starter
Banned
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 9,291
Reviews: 98
Re: Another pickup wiring resource thread!

I didn't know about the S taper! I thought the tubescreamer tone pot was a 1 meg log, but I could be thinking of another circuit...



AlaskaBat is offline  
post #13 of 93 (permalink) Old 03-25-2011, 12:01 PM Thread Starter
Banned
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 9,291
Reviews: 98
Re: Another pickup wiring resource thread!

Quote:
Originally Posted by bancika View Post
there are some other tapers, like S (tubescreamer tone knob) or W (graphic EQ sliders). It's interesting that some makers mark log=audio=A and linear=B, while few others do the opposite.
Found that website about pots and added it to my first post:
http://sound.westhost.com/pots.htm



AlaskaBat is offline  
post #14 of 93 (permalink) Old 03-25-2011, 12:04 PM Thread Starter
Banned
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 9,291
Reviews: 98
Re: Another pickup wiring resource thread!

Something else to keep in mind, since we have Jemsiters all over the world--the marking are NOT the same in Europe as they are in the US:
In USA
A - Audio or Log taper
B - Linear taper
C - Reverse Log taper
G - Graphic taper
In Europe
A - Linear taper
B - Audio or Log taper
C - Reverse Log taper
G - Graphic taper



AlaskaBat is offline  
post #15 of 93 (permalink) Old 03-25-2011, 12:14 PM
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Serbia
Posts: 572
Reviews: 2
Re: Another pickup wiring resource thread!

I mixed it up, it's 20K W taper for tubescreamer
http://www.pedalpartsplus.com/mm5/me...ory_Code=16mmW
bancika is offline  
Reply

Tags
diagrams , pickups , soldering , wiring

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Jemsite forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address

IMPORTANT: You will be required to activate your account so please ensure that your email address is correct.

If you do not receive your activation check your spam folder before using the CONTACT US form (at the bottom right of each page).



Email Address:
OR

Log-in











Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Great guitar ID resource linuxpenguin All Other Guitars (including Prestige) 4 01-22-2011 07:13 PM
Another wiring help thread Rocklobster93 Pickups & wiring 0 11-15-2009 04:20 AM
parts resource in FL? screamndemon69 Tech: Setup, Repairs and Mods 2 07-17-2004 05:35 AM
Staggeringly good Van Halen tab resource hamand Players & Bands, Music & Sounds, Tours & Jams, Lessons & Theory! 2 06-24-2004 03:51 AM
A great tab software/resource Lauri M Players & Bands, Music & Sounds, Tours & Jams, Lessons & Theory! 0 05-14-2002 08:16 AM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome