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Hello Everyone.

I was wondering if any of you knowledgeable gentlemen could help me complete my wiring diagram? I currently have my guitar wired exactly like this;



Please notice that it has a 2502w (3PS1SC5) Ibanez 5 way switch wired to a Crunch Lab and a Liquifire humbucker pickups

What I want to get is different coil split combinations using the "pull" position on a Push Pull Volume Pot; I donīt really care if I get humbucking or not I just want to explore more tonal possibilities with my new dimarzios, Iīm a big fan of clean sounds.

After a lot of research iīve found out a couple of things;

Itīs not possible to wire in parallel both humbuckers using only one push-pull switch and I can only use the volume pot since my guitar is a S520EX and a push pull wonīt fit on the tone pot, however I know that it is possible to coil split both humbuckers using only one push pull pot, thatīs what I want.

I understand that some of the 5 way switch positions might do nothing or might even mute the sound? That would be ok though, if I can get a few coil split possibilities, like on positions 1, 3 and 5 thatīs fine with me, actually any combination of single coil splits would be fine Iīm not picky.

So there it is, any help would be greatly appreciated, what I basically want is to complete mi diagram and know exactly how to wire the push pull switch, which cable goes where, maybe a diagram drawn in Ms Paint would be too much asking? because even though Iīve been thoroughly researching, I just donīt understand how it works at all, I canīt seem to be able to reason it (Iīm a lawyer, go figure.)

Thank you so much in advance, happy playing!
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Re: Can you help me complete my diagram? (Push Pull volume pot Coil tap HH)

So now I am sitting here in front of my guitar and I'm looking at a ground cable that is actually connected to the bridge of my guitar on one end but on the other it's actually bare not connected to anything, where does this cable go to? Please help!
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Re: Can you help me complete my diagram? (Push Pull volume pot Coil tap HH)

All right guys so here's an update; after wiring everything according to the diagram that I posted in the first post now I plug my guitar and I can hear a really loud buzz/hum coming From the amp, I touched the coils on the pickups and the interesting thing is that on each and every one of the 5 switch positions I seem to get output from the blade coil on the bridge pickup, interesting enough when I touch one of the screws on the pickup selector the hum seems to go away it's like I'm grounding everything with my fingers.

I deeply and honestly thank you in advance for any information provided.

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Re: Can you help me complete my diagram? (Push Pull volume pot Coil tap HH)

you might want to review the JS1000 & 100 diagram
http://www2.ibanez.com/supportResour...ing/W96024.gif
http://www2.ibanez.com/supportResour...ing/W96025.gif

for the coil-split on 2-humbuckers. make sure you have the grounds correct to the trem spring claw
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I really appreciate the reply, sadly none of those two diagrams apply for mi case because my switch is a 5 Way 8 Pole Ibanez 3PS1SC5 (2502W).

Any further help would be enormously appreciated, thank you very much.
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Re: Can you help me complete my diagram? (Push Pull volume pot Coil tap HH)

The diagram (tone knob) shows the pull switch how it creates the coil-split with the two humbuckers (bottom two lugs, etc.). The 5-way and all else is unchanged.


That would coil split positions 1/3/5 (pull up to split, if it's on). If it's too comples you can always call Dimarzio and have them provide instructions for wiring the push/pull coil split for those positions (when both coils of the humbuckers are on).
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Re: Can you help me complete my diagram? (Push Pull volume pot Coil tap HH)

If I remember correctly-

Ibanez has a special 5-way switch for two humbucker guitars.
The RG7620 uses the switch I’m referring to.

Adding a coil tap to any setup is easy.
Run a ground to the push / pull pot and then to the black and white wires, if your using a Dimarzio 4+1 conductor pickup.
(That’s if the black and white wires are soldered together or on the same spot on the switch.)
If the black and white wires are not together, you’ll need to see which one you want grounded out by touching the ground wire to the back and then the white wires to see what effect you want or like better.
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The diagram (tone knob) shows the pull switch how it creates the coil-split with the two humbuckers (bottom two lugs, etc.). The 5-way and all else is unchanged.


That would coil split positions 1/3/5 (pull up to split, if it's on). If it's too comples you can always call Dimarzio and have them provide instructions for wiring the push/pull coil split for those positions (when both coils of the humbuckers are on).
Thank you.

Ok so analyzing this diagram what I basically have to do is:

1.- solder both black and white cables from the neck pickup and solder them to the volume push pull pot exactly like in the tone pot of the diagram.

2.- unsolder the black and white cables from the 5 way switch and solder them to the volume pot instead.

3.-solder the left middle pin of the push pull to the body of the pot.

4.-solder the right middle pin of the push pull to the body of the pot.

I will try to do exactly that and comeback with the results, thank you very much for your kind attention.
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If I remember correctly-

Ibanez has a special 5-way switch for two humbucker guitars.
The RG7620 uses the switch I’m referring to.

Adding a coil tap to any setup is easy.
Run a ground to the push / pull pot and then to the black and white wires, if your using a Dimarzio 4+1 conductor pickup.
(That’s if the black and white wires are soldered together or on the same spot on the switch.)
If the black and white wires are not together, you’ll need to see which one you want grounded out by touching the ground wire to the back and then the white wires to see what effect you want or like better.
Thank you Sebastian, I'm pretty sure it is the same switch.

I beg you to specify much more clearly what you mean, remember I'm a complete newbie; what do you mean "run a ground to the push pull pot"?

Yes according to the new diagram based on the JS guitar the black and white wires are both goin to run together.
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Re: Can you help me complete my diagram? (Push Pull volume pot Coil tap HH)

If you are using a 5 way switch, the JS diagram won't work for you.

Get the 5 way switch working correctly before you add in the wires for the coil tap.
Then let me know how you have the switch wired and I'll tell you how to add in the coil tap wires.
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Re: Can you help me complete my diagram? (Push Pull volume pot Coil tap HH)

what Sebastian said is ideal in that get the 5-way working fine (as per the first diagram you posted). then do the taps. But really it's moot since you want the taps and it's easy to go back to the RGT42 wiring.

Remember the 5-way (or 3-way it's moot) just sends signal to the volume switch (and thus coil-splitter).
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If you are using a 5 way switch, the JS diagram won't work for you.

Get the 5 way switch working correctly before you add in the wires for the coil tap.
Then let me know how you have the switch wired and I'll tell you how to add in the coil tap wires.
Thank you. So here's the thing; I wired everything exactly like the original diagram I posted says (RGT42) but ignoring the bottom 6 pins of the volume pot which means I'm only using the top three and the body of the pot and here's what happens;

When I plug my guitar to the amp I get a VERY loud buzz/hum even on the clean channel; this is true in all 5 positions of the switch, then if I move or try to push the cable further into the plug the hum kind of goes away but I get a very very quiet output to the amp, almost inaudible but the output is actually there.

I checked to se if I have some loose cables coming from the plug but everything seems to be in place, maybe I got them reversed? I can see that there are two cables coming from the plug and maybe those are reversed?

One last thing; I did plug the cable that comes grounded to the back of the tremolo to the first volume pot.

Any further help would be kindly appreciated.
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Re: Can you help me complete my diagram? (Push Pull volume pot Coil tap HH)

If you look at the jack, the outer leg is the ground.
The inner leg is the hot.

The trem, and both pots need a ground wire attached to them.
The pots have a ground wire attached to the flat bottom or side of them.
The trem has a ground attached to the claw by the springs.
Sometimes a switch will have a ground on the side of it or on a leg, depending on the wiring setup.

If your jack worked before, it's probable okay.

If you get really stuck, hook up only the bridge pickup and see if you can get it sound right before you add in other pups.
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Update:

While searching the internet I came across the story of some guy who wired two dimarzio humbuckers exactly like mine to his S420 with a positive outcome, he was kind enough to post his diagram and whatīs interesting is that the red and green cables are reversed compared to my diagram;



Also the black and white cables on the neck pickup seem to be reversed.

I will definitely try to wire it this way and see if the buzz goes away, but can someone be kind enough to explain to me whatīs the difference? All I could find regarding colors is that, in the case of dimarzio, RED=North Start=Hot GREEN=South Start=Goes to ground along with the bare cable.

If thatīs the case then why did this guy wire his guitar with the red and green cables reversed? Should I even try this?

Thanks in advance for your kind guidance.
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If your jack worked before, it's probable okay.
Thank you good sir, it was working perfectly with the 3 way switch, so Iīm pretty sure itīs fine.

Came across more interesting information on the internet, please take a look at this diagram;



Whatīs interesting about it is that, if you take a close look at the jack (which by the way has three legs, two large ones and a short one) the cable that goes to the middle pin of the volume pot is coming from the short leg of the jack! But on my diagram itīs coming from one of the large ones and the short one is not used... Should I try this too? What would be the difference? Why does the jack have three legs?

Thank you for your help!
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