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post #1 of 21 (permalink) Old 03-16-2011, 05:32 PM Thread Starter
 
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Consecuences of replacing a true single coil with a hum cancelling single coil?

Iīve been looking all over but I still canīt seem to understand what would actually happen if I replace the stock true single coil pickup on my S470dx (H-S-H) with a hum-cancelling single coil pickup. (Thinking about an area 67 or an injector or even a hot rails from duncan) would I have to replace the stock switch or would I be good with it?

I donīt suppose I would I get a diferent sound from positions 2 and 4 right?
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Re: Consecuences of replacing a true single coil with a hum cancelling single coil?

The result will be a hum cancelling sound from that pickup. The switch does not need to be changed.



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Re: Consecuences of replacing a true single coil with a hum cancelling single coil?

You would lose the 60 cycle hum.
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Re: Consecuences of replacing a true single coil with a hum cancelling single coil?

Thank you, right now I was watching a diferent thread from this guy who wants to wire three Humbuckers in a H-S-H config http://www.jemsite.com/forums/f35/s4...re-109813.html

He says that the stock 5 way switch from ibanez does not support coil splitting when you have 3 humbuckers but only when installing a true single coil in the middle, does he mean that positions 2 and 4 will no longer work? or how does it not support coil splitting?
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Re: Consecuences of replacing a true single coil with a hum cancelling single coil?

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You would lose the 60 cycle hum.
So no more noise on the middle position... Iīm asumming that some frequencies on the sound will also be rolled back, can I still get that pure, true clean sound from a hum cancelling single coil? because I definetely donīt like the clean sound of humbuckers, you know that sound you get from the first and last position of the switch?
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Re: Consecuences of replacing a true single coil with a hum cancelling single coil?

No--you can't coil tap/split with the typical import YM-50 switch, but you didn't mention coil tapping in your first post. If the single coil is a 4-conductor type, then you treat it like a humbucker by soldering the black and white leads together, taping the end off, and keeping them away from the switch. If you want tapping or splitting--you need a multipole switch like the super or mega switches. There are tons of wiring sites on the Net--just do a search. I just posted some links to a few the other day, so look through the other threads in this section.



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No--you can't coil tap/split with the typical import YM-50 switch, but you didn't mention coil tapping in your first post. If the single coil is a 4-conductor type, then you treat it like a humbucker by soldering the black and white leads together, taping the end off, and keeping them away from the switch. If you want tapping or splitting--you need a multipole switch like the super or mega switches. There are tons of wiring sites on the Net--just do a search. I just posted some links to a few the other day, so look through the other threads in this section.
Got it, thanks a lot for your kind explanation, I think I will stick with a true single coil replacement, I heard the true velvets are quite good for bluesy stuff and clean chords has anyone tried them on a mahogany body like the s470?
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Re: Consecuences of replacing a true single coil with a hum cancelling single coil?

I don't think there should be a problem using a Dimarzio Area in the middle no matter what switching you have as long as you just wire the Area like a single coil pup. The sound is going to be different. I played with quite a few of the Dimarzio VVs including area 61 DP416. They don't sound the same in #2 and #4. Don't mean it sounds bad, just not the same. I currently has the modified DP404 in my HSH strat and it work ok. I don't like the Area 61 at all to put it politely and I swarp the magnets between the DP404 with the DP416 so I get the weaker magnets on the DP404. The DP416 is in pieces right now!!!

I have the DP402 also, sounds better.
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Re: Consecuences of replacing a true single coil with a hum cancelling single coil?

[quote=Alan0354;1079165]I don't think there should be a problem using a Dimarzio Area in the middle no matter what switching you have as long as you just wire the Area like a single coil pup./quote]

Thatīs very interesting I will definetely search on how to wire an area 67 like a single coil, but Iīm also considering a dp 402 as I think itīs the best aproach to the sound Iīm looking for, what would you think is best?
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I don't think there should be a problem using a Dimarzio Area in the middle no matter what switching you have as long as you just wire the Area like a single coil pup.
Thatīs very interesting I will definetely search on how to wire an area 67 like a single coil, but Iīm also considering a dp 402 as I think itīs the best aproach to the sound Iīm looking for, what would you think is best?
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Thatīs very interesting I will definetely search on how to wire an area 67 like a single coil, but Iīm also considering a dp 402 as I think itīs the best aproach to the sound Iīm looking for, what would you think is best?

I meant just wire the normal way as instructed. I am looking at the DP416, it comes with the black and white soldered together and only red and green leads are long. You just wire one wire to the 5 way switch and the other to the ground ( body of the pot). You then test for phase matching in #2 and #4 to make sure the sound is right. If it is out of phase, then you reverse the leads and is done.

Don't mean to confuse you, I just meant wire it up as if it's a single coil that have two leads.

My DP416 don't even have a ground leads, I tried to solder one on the metal shield inside and it did not help to reduce the noise. This pup is noisy, I read complain about this from others too. This is the worst out of three I have. That is the reason I use it as spare parts and open it to look at how it is constructed. I actually like the DP404 in the middle because it is louder to match the HBs. It has since been replaced by DP420 and I have no idea how it sounds. You need one that is not as bright, that's the reason I mentioned DP402 or DP404.

I am going to switch to the Tex Mex bridge pup soon. The reason is because the Tex Mex bridge is loud also and it is a true single coil. I can wire it correctly so it cancel noise in #2 and #4 if I split the coils in the other two HBs. With the VVs, you cannot do that. If I were you, I'll check out the Dimarzio FS1. It is a true single coil with high output and you can make it hum cancelling with the split coil of the two HBs.
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Re: Consecuences of replacing a true single coil with a hum cancelling single coil?

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Don't mean to confuse you, I just meant wire it up as if it's a single coil that have two leads.
Thatīs ok I didnīt get confused I just thought there was kind of a "special" way to wire single coils as I have only wired Humbuckers in the past though, thanks for clearing it out.

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If I were you, I'll check out the Dimarzio FS1. It is a true single coil with high output and you can make it hum cancelling with the split coil of the two HBs.
Iīve read the description on that one and heard a few demos on youtube; now thatīs more like the sound Iīm after, I even think it sounds better than the VVīs Iīm gonna try the FS1, thanks for your kind attention.
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Re: Consecuences of replacing a true single coil with a hum cancelling single coil?

Fosi...What pickups are currently in your S470?? including the humbuckers...
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Fosi...What pickups are currently in your S470?? including the humbuckers...
Currently stock powersound humbuckers and stock single coil, but I'm replacing the three pickups I've already decided on a D sonic and probably an air Norton (as I cant afford duncans right now)
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Currently stock powersound humbuckers and stock single coil, but I'm replacing the three pickups I've already decided on a D sonic and probably an air Norton (as I cant afford duncans right now)

Is Duncan much more expensive at your place. Not that much here!!!
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