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post #1 of 44 (permalink) Old 07-24-2013, 05:21 AM Thread Starter
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JS 1200 : change pickups

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i would like to change the pickups of my js 1200 because i don' like all the sounds the guitar makes.

in neck : strat sound ok but but for some les paul or sg sound, it's not a warm and fat sound even in distorsion (sh1, gary moore etc)

with the volume, the paf joe makes all sounds funk (chic) to distorsion


-middle position: not a beautiful sound, a little cold sound

-in bridge, the fred has not a warm sound
the notes are not warm like a sh4, emg 85, 498, sh6 etc

so, do you know which pickups would be good with this baswood body?

for a warmer and fatter? sound in neck (sh1 maybe?)

and for more harmonics, sustain and outpout in bridge (sh6?)
it's difficult to have good clean sounds, 2 position and a warm sound in neck
sh1 is not good for funk
sh4 is not good with split

the dimarzio's have precision but i prefered the sounds of my sg with 490
emg sav
or sh1, sh4-sh6

MY OLD PICKUPS didn't need a boost pedal !! because they were warm by their outpout level
alnico 5 too
but mahogany and maple
i like the warm sound of seymour with mahogany and i would like to find this (a little) here too
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post #2 of 44 (permalink) Old 07-24-2013, 01:38 PM
 
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Re: JS 1200 : change pickups

have you turned down the tone knob?
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Re: JS 1200 : change pickups

yes but the sound is not fat
the linking between the notes are not important : i must add a booster to achieve to what's i like= the sound of sh4 or sh6 and sh1
but my others guitars are in maple and mahogany and not basswood
so i don't think if a change of pickups would change a lot the sound
for example, i like very much some PRs and les paul sound
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Re: JS 1200 : change pickups

I've got a Duncan custom shop 78 in my Radius (basswood, effectively the same but i put a maple 1 piece neck/fretboard on it) and it is really special. Best pickup I've heard. Expensive tho - luckily I got it used. The Duncan Screamin Demon and a Duncan Custom8 sounded really good in that guitar too. Both would work in your JS nicely IMO.

I know as a whole Ibanez players love Dimarzio but I've been really happy with all the Duncans I've played - except I hated the JB in my Radius.
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I have a basswood RG and a paf joe in it in neck position, I do not find it lacks fatness. I have another guitar which is very bright and I guess you have a piece of wood which makes your guitar sound bright, even too bright, for you.
A possibility would be to reduce the tone and vol pots value to 250k or the tone cap value (from 22nF to 10nF would be a (too?) big step to fatness, but another option is swapping the pups with for example a tone zone or AT-1 or gravity storm or breed for the bridge position, and an air zone, air norton, liquifire or breed neck on the neck. You might even try a double whammy (DP150, which is discontinued but can be found on the evilbay) in the neck, the sound is very fat!!!
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Re: JS 1200 : change pickups

for example i like some slash, gary moore's tone and john syke's (thin lizzy 83 for example)
a warm sound in neck and bridge and i used to play with a sh1 or 490 with my sg
i didn't know the paf joe would be good for strat sound, some santana maybe too but the sound of the notes is not fat (basswood and 9-42?), not as warm as my others guitars and pickups.
it's the sound of joe ok: beautiful sound but not a big sound and i must add a booster to make the sound (between the notes) warmer than i have.
When i play a cheap guitar in maple (gt pro deluxe steinberger) with sh1: no problem

With my js 1200 and for the bridge, the fred is good but very far from a sh4-sH6
not enough outpout
not a warm sound like i like : it's like a single coil (dimarzio said that in his website)

i don't know if dimarzio makes precision in the sound and seymour makes warm sound (slash, zack wilde, gus)
i may try sh1 and sh6 to see what i will have

in fact, for me the tone of the paf joe is like a single coil without a split lol
and the fred maybe too !

it's nothing compared to sh1 or sh4-6
breed maybe too

tone zone : no, i read it has too much basses
too much metal

i prefer the sound of Petrucci: very warm for me like steve Morse too and i hope to transform a little the sound of my guitar with pickups to go to this type of sound!
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the breed bridge and neck should be a good match for what you want!
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Re: JS 1200 : change pickups

thanks
i will see the bridge breed and sh4 maybe too

i've played with the fred for some minutes
the sound is good but not fat! not thick ? it's for joe, not for me because i don't play legato!

with more outpout it would be good

that's the problem with guitars which are polyvalent
not enough this
not enough that lol
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Re: JS 1200 : change pickups

The Humbucker from Hell supposedly gives you a single tonish sound in the neck. I have one but never ended up using it.
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Re: JS 1200 : change pickups

What amp are you using?

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Re: JS 1200 : change pickups

laney lc 15
and Marshall jackhammer + boost pedal

the basses are fat and not clean sometimes with with my 10" speaker

maybe the norton would be good for the bridge ?
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the norton is known to be right in the middle between the fred and the tone zone. I tried all 3 of them in a very bright guitar: the norton was still too bright but the TZ was to boomy to my ears... So the norton could be a possibility that might be right for you
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there is nothing else except this nortor or breed

i don't look for precision, i look for a warm sound
outpout
harmonics
clean sound to be close to a les paul !

or sh4
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Seems to me that you're really set on the Duncans, because almost every post in your thread makes reference to the SH4, SH6 or SH1.

Since your ears are familiar with those pickups, I would suggest you try those first and see how it makes the guitar sound. Once you rule those out, then venture into other suggestions (it may be the cheapest route since you already have guitars with those pickups, so it'd be a matter of swapping pickups around).

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Re: JS 1200 : change pickups

yes
one day i will go to my luthier to put a sh4(i don't know the full shred or others) because i like very much some slash, gary moore, john sykes sound or Petrucci too and not really
dimarzio at that time
i prefer have a warm sound than a legato and precise sound beacause i don't play legato at all !
sh4 in the beginning
with dimarzio, i'm not sure to find what i want even if the sound seems to be beautiful with distorsion

HOW TO FIND the new catalog dimarzio ?
this is and old one
insidemusic.com.au/backstage_pages/manuals/tech_data-quick_guide.pdf
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