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post #1 of 33 (permalink) Old 09-27-2013, 01:44 AM Thread Starter
 
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Just got a 2002 Jem 7DBK (Lava Black) Pick Up Swap??

Hello guys,

I just got a 2002 Ibanez Jem from Ebay in mint condition, except some scratches on chrome mirrored pick guard.

Fuuny thing is I had the 2009 Jem 7VBK and really didn't love it. It was super light and the sound wasn't to my liking. Too thin sounding and not enough distortion as compared to my other guitars.

Anyway, I liked this one always and just wanted to try it out. I am using it through a Fractal Audio Axe-FX II. Sounded pretty good, the cleans were really nice. However, the distortion isn't thick and chucnky. Lots of mid range and it is hard to hit nice sounding pinch harmonics. That is just a way to describe what I FEEL when I play. I am a pro at AH's so no issues there. Also on my last 7VBK, I got a John Petrucci Crunch Lab. Honestly, it didn't sound that much better! Was disappointed.

I also have a Bogner Ecstacy 1/2 stack. You could immediately tell a HUGE difference when I played the Charvel vs. the Jem 7VBK. The VBK sounded aweful through the Bogner, while the Charvel Screamed and was thick and articulate. The Jem was so mid rangy for lack of a better description.

One of my other guitar that sounds really beefy and thick and just screams off pinch harmonics, especially through the Axe-FX II, is a 2012 Charvel So Cao, 1 HH Snow White. The So Cal with 2 HB.

Description of pick ups in So Cal:

Seymour Duncan humbuckers. You play the notes, and Seymour Duncan takes it from there. An SH-6N Distortion is located in the neck position of this axe, while a T6-6 Distortion simmers at the bridge.


Pick up options for my New Jem 7 DBK (The Lava Black Paint Job)? Any suggestions?

I like George Lynch and Andy Timmons, but am looking for a good thick and heavy pick up. Think of turning on a Low Gain amp and playing a solo how it is a lot of Effort to do, vs. getting on a modeling amp with a good distorted tone that almost plays itself.

What options would be good with my New Jem 7VBK? It is made of Bass Wood so that might be some of the sound charateristics? However, I have to think the right pick up will make me really love this guitar. As it is now, it's nice but it wasn't plug in and THIS IS IT! So I can tell the current set up isn't going to make me want to pick it up and play it and if that is the case, I will sell it!

Advice appreciated.
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post #2 of 33 (permalink) Old 09-27-2013, 07:00 AM
 
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The way you talk about all these pickups sounds very different than most people.
You must be setting your rig a lot different than most people do.

Iíve got two DBKs and have no problem getting a heavy tone out of them with the stock Dimarzio Breeds.

It sounds like you want really high output pickups.
You might like-

EVO
Steveís Special
Super Distortion
XN2
Super 3

I own the EVO and the Steveís Special at the moment.
The Steveís Special has the mids pulled down giving a heavier tone than the others listed.

Just some food for thought-
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Re: Just got a 2002 Jem 7DBK (Lava Black) Pick Up Swap??

jem guitars can never be used for thrashmetal music...it isnt heavy and powerful enough....if you are into really heavy thrashmetal tone...you need ESP guitars and EMG active pups...or gibson ,lespaul etc.....jem with dimarzio isnt really for thrashmetal or some very heavy tone music
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First of all, thanks to all 3 of you for your suggestions. I really appreciate it!

Remeber, I JUST got the guitar last night at 11pm and played it 10 minutes on my AXE FX II.

I like the JEM pick ups and did get a heavy tone, but as I said, when I play the Jem on the SAME EXACT set up weather it be my Bogner XTC 1/2 stack, or my new Axe-FX II, as compared to the Charvel So Cal with its stock Seymour Duncas, unfortunately, the Charvel sounds a lot better for heavier stuff. I am not talking drop D Heavy Heavy stuff, think 80's Metal/Rock. Dokken, Van Halen, Ratt, Ozzy with Randy and Jake E Lee.

As a way to describe it it simple terms. When I hit a pick harmonic on the Low E string
(3rd Fret) on the Charvel, it just delivers a thick Zack Wyldelike in Crazy Babies note (not a huge huge Zack Wylde fan, but he's good, just using this as an example). When I use the Ibanez Jem, I can hit the AH on the Low E, 3rd fret, but it sounds nowhere near as good as the Charvel's pick up, and it is much harder to pull off and sounds thinner.

Now the Charvel has .010's and the Jem has .009's for strings. Again, NOT here to bash the Jem, I just bought it so I like it, but the pcik up is not sounding thick and heavy enough. Even with my Jem 7BVBK, it was the exact same thing. I noticed it HUGE on the Bogner XTC, I rarely played the Jem on the Bogner, because it did not sound good and it was not fun to play, way too much work.

Keep the suggesitons coming. Anyone have this same guitar and changed their pick up? Or a similar Jem like the 7VBK?

Thanks so much guys!

Tex

P.S. Here I am playing the Bogner on my Ernie Ball Music Man Luke II (from 1995). It sounds good and has EMG's, but the charvel (for heavy metal 80's tones) sounds the BEST on the Bogner by Far. Thick, but articulate and clear with a great ability to spit off AH's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pa8q-D8GCYI

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Re: Just got a 2002 Jem 7DBK (Lava Black) Pick Up Swap??

I use 10s on all my JEMs.
The other thing that may be effecting the pinch harmonics is pick placement.
Try doing the third fret pinch harmonic while moving your right hand from the middle pickup toward the heck and see how the tone changes.
Setup can effect this too-
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jem guitars can never be used for thrashmetal music
This is one of the dumbest things I've read on Jemsite in a long while!
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jem guitars can never be used for thrashmetal music...it isnt heavy and powerful enough....if you are into really heavy thrashmetal tone...you need ESP guitars and EMG active pups...or gibson ,lespaul etc.....jem with dimarzio isnt really for thrashmetal or some very heavy tone music
i recently bought a mint a 2003 Jem 7DBK. was planning on it being my thrash and metal Jem. after having it for a week i am back using my ESP KH2 for metal. you just cant beat the EMGs for metal playing.
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This is one of the dumbest things I've read on Jemsite in a long while!
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It's all about the pickups and the rig, mostly the rig!
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Completely and utterly stupid! It's a guitar. It's more than capable of doing any sort of metal.
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jem guitars can never be used for thrashmetal music...it isnt heavy and powerful enough....if you are into really heavy thrashmetal tone...you need ESP guitars and EMG active pups...or gibson ,lespaul etc.....jem with dimarzio isnt really for thrashmetal or some very heavy tone music
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxcJW6bs5os
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That wasn't a JEM it was a UV :P
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http://youtu.be/dLJ8lxv97Fo
This is what i mean by thrashmetal.... Not speedmetal suicidal tendecies
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I guess most of the jem fanboys here really cant accept the fact that jem guitars dont have the tone body and pups for thrashmetal.... Hahaha its ok... Ive gone thru it... Jem is is versatile guitar for most music but not for heavy **** metalzzz
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You can try all those metal rigs with any jem you have but your rhythm and solos would have the same impact compare to guitars made for metalz eg kh-2 esp kirk hamet etc.... Ibanez alder or basswood would even compare to ESP or Jackson old skool thrash guitar with EMGs
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