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post #1 of 9 (permalink) Old 05-13-2019, 11:01 AM Thread Starter
 
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Let's talk pickups and types of wood...

Hey everyone,
I've got an RG 760 and a RG 550. Both feel great and play amazing. The issue is the tone. I've swapped the original Dimarzio's because I've always felt that the factory pickups are just "ok" and not the best you could use.
I prefer to play the RG's more than all the guitars I own.
But, none of my guitars have the snarl and bite that my Gibson V has and I want the RG's to have that.
Now the RG's are Basswood, the V is Mahogany, that's probably the major difference. But...shouldn't there be a pick up out there that will give me the same results? Is the wood THAT much of a difference?
I've put the Ceramic Gibson 500T that the V has in the RG's and it's close. but not enough for me.
So those that have tried and compared, and know what I'm talking about, let me know what pickups you've used and what the tone is like in your RG.
Much appreciated...
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Re: Let's talk pickups and types of wood...

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Hey everyone,
I've got an RG 760 and a RG 550. Both feel great and play amazing. The issue is the tone. I've swapped the original Dimarzio's because I've always felt that the factory pickups are just "ok" and not the best you could use.
I prefer to play the RG's more than all the guitars I own.
But, none of my guitars have the snarl and bite that my Gibson V has and I want the RG's to have that.
Now the RG's are Basswood, the V is Mahogany, that's probably the major difference. But...shouldn't there be a pick up out there that will give me the same results? Is the wood THAT much of a difference?
I've put the Ceramic Gibson 500T that the V has in the RG's and it's close. but not enough for me.
So those that have tried and compared, and know what I'm talking about, let me know what pickups you've used and what the tone is like in your RG.
Much appreciated...
while wood does play a little bit in to your guitar's sound it seems more likely that it is the floyd that is making some of the difference as well.

another issue is taking subjective terms like snarl and bite and quantifying them to a definitive tonal characteristic. Do you mean more mids, low mids, high mids, depth in the bass, sharpness in the treble ... ?

one way that may help you figure out exactly what you want is to get a 10 band eq and adjust it a little while playing your RG to see if you can tell what you are lacking by actively adding only 1 frequency band at a time. If it is a case of definition you may want to look for something with a ceramic magnet.

the stock tone zone is a very one dimensional pickup to me. It doesn't have the same type of mids that the gibson pickups have.

You might look at the dimarzio transition set, mo'joe, crunch lab/liqi or gravity storm set. If you want something a little more full sounding then maybe the breed set. If you want something with more power and depth maybe the d-sonic with a fred in the neck.
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The graphic EQ is a good idea actually.
What I mean by Bite and Snarl is probably defined as all that you mention:more mids, low mids, high mids, depth in the bass, sharpness in the treble.
It's just got more attitude in the tone.
The Floyd doesn't seem to apply that much because I have a factory Floyd on the V as well. I've played both Gibson V's with and without Floyds, and each one had basically the same tone.
I've changed out the RG 760 to a Dimarzio Super 3 recently. While it's got good gain, sounds great and I'm happy with it, it's not the equivalent. I put the 500T into the 550 and it's nice too, but it's not the sound that it had when it was in the V.
So I'm thinking...same pickup, different guitar, not the same sound. Gotta be the wood....
Now...knowing this, which Dimarzio will give me the tone I'm looking for?
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The graphic EQ is a good idea actually.
What I mean by Bite and Snarl is probably defined as all that you mention:more mids, low mids, high mids, depth in the bass, sharpness in the treble.
It's just got more attitude in the tone.
The Floyd doesn't seem to apply that much because I have a factory Floyd on the V as well. I've played both Gibson V's with and without Floyds, and each one had basically the same tone.
I've changed out the RG 760 to a Dimarzio Super 3 recently. While it's got good gain, sounds great and I'm happy with it, it's not the equivalent. I put the 500T into the 550 and it's nice too, but it's not the sound that it had when it was in the V.
So I'm thinking...same pickup, different guitar, not the same sound. Gotta be the wood....
Now...knowing this, which Dimarzio will give me the tone I'm looking for?

I hate the super III, it has a tighter bass, tons of mids and very chopped treble. If you like the feel of that pickup but want a little brighter sound, try the super distortion. Textural it feels the same but the eq isn't as mid heavy, but the pickup has more bass and treble compared to the super 3.

if you want a more mid-rangy pickup that has a fair bit of output try the crunch lab.
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I'd suggest that the Duncan Custom offers a fair bit of grit and snarl in a basswood RG
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i would second the duncan custom but also recommend researching the duncan custom hybrid...it has the snarl and bite of a custom but with a much warmer low end (something gibson pickups excel at) because it is lierally one coil of a custom and one coil of a duncan 59 which is supposedly based on a paf...d.m.
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Thank you for the advice.
I will look into these suggestions and follow up.
Cheers.
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i would second the duncan custom but also recommend researching the duncan custom hybrid...it has the snarl and bite of a custom but with a much warmer low end (something gibson pickups excel at) because it is lierally one coil of a custom and one coil of a duncan 59 which is supposedly based on a paf...d.m.

Interesting pickup... Pretty good video on it:


My favorite for cutting through with "bite and snarl" is the D-Activator bridge, but everyone else hates them so probably disregard the suggestion... lol. Maybe my ears have taken to much damage through the years, but in a basswood guitar with a trem it sounds great both clean and with gain.
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I'd suggest that the Duncan Custom offers a fair bit of grit and snarl in a basswood RG
I would recommend the Custom Custom (SH-11) based off Eddie Van Halen pickup, put it in my RG550 and really really miss that guitar!
Put in my RG350 that got stolen, really miss it too!

Have a Jem JR now, and need to replace the stock pickups...

the sh-11 cleans up nicely when rolling off the volume, but is full shred when full volume, giving more versatility
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