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post #1 of 8 (permalink) Old 03-15-2013, 04:25 PM Thread Starter
 
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palm mute & pickups

I'm playing more metal now and am doing more palm-muted low E power chords. I'm now playing RG350's with EVH Frankenstein pickups. When I do the muted E's my "chunk chunk chunk" sounds aren't distinct like they are on my Jackson with stock Seymour pickups. I use exactly the same palm-mute technique on both guitars, but on the Ibanez each "chunk" is followed by a low rumble, while on the Jackson each "chunk" is tight.

What I wonder is whether this is really due to the actual pickup (Frankenstein versus stock Seymour) as one might assume, or rather to something else like pickup placement (I'm playing bridge pickups on both guitars), or possibly to the tremolo, via different vibration properties (the Ibanez has an Edge III, the Jackson has their Floyd copy), or even wood resonance differences...?

In the past I always thought that muddy palm mutes were due to pickup height (given proper palm technique), but adjusting the height on my Ibanez doesn't seem to fix it. The most obvious answer would seem to be that these pickups are just no good for this style, but I don't like that answer and wonder if it's something else.

Thanks for any suggestions.
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post #2 of 8 (permalink) Old 03-15-2013, 08:23 PM
 
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Re: palm mute & pickups

The EVH Frankenstein isn't the tightest pickup around. Due to its design with a degaussing Alnico II magnet. You want something with a ceramic magnet.

The tightest passive pickup I've played is the DiMarzio Dominion Mark Morton sig bridge. Get that and you'll have awesome tight muting.
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The EVH Frankenstein isn't the tightest pickup around. Due to its design with a degaussing Alnico II magnet. You want something with a ceramic magnet.

The tightest passive pickup I've played is the DiMarzio Dominion Mark Morton sig bridge. Get that and you'll have awesome tight muting.
I can definitely concur with this. I had the Franky in my RG2EX2 and disliked it with a passion. I also think the Dominion or Crunchlab would be a suitable substitute. However I have a strong dislike for Mark Morton for slamming Dream Theater in a Guitar World article some years ago, hence I won't buy any of his endorsed products i.e. the Dominion.
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That Frankie is awesome in my alder strat though. Sounds amazing.

And don't write off the Dominion just based on that. It's an awesome set of pickups.
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Re: palm mute & pickups

Thanks everybody for the replies! I like the Frankenstein for just about all my guitarwork (mostly leads -- it sings beautifully during solos). I only do the palm mute thing occasionally, so I'd hate to replace the pickup just for that.

I still think the issue might be something other than the pickup. I've heard other people complain about muddy palm mutes, but this isn't about muddy mutes, but about the mute just not muting all the way, which makes me think the difference between my Ibanez and Jackson has to do with the bridge. A certain amount of hand pressure mutes perfectly on the Jackson, but the same amount of force just doesn't seem to do it on the Ibanez, and pressing harder on the Ibanez actually does make it muddy.

But maybe I'm wrong and it really is just the pickup.
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That Frankie is awesome in my alder strat though. Sounds amazing.

And don't write off the Dominion just based on that. It's an awesome set of pickups.
How is the dominion for solo work? The Frankie has a beautiful singing voice during melodic solos, rich with overtones and harmonics.
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Sharp and tight. It's not a pickup you'll use high up the fretboard depending on your amp settings. You'll probably switch to the neck, which is normal anyway. It cuts through the mix though.
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How is the dominion for solo work? The Frankie has a beautiful singing voice during melodic solos, rich with overtones and harmonics.
IMO, Dominion bridge has a really good chunk sounds, including palm muting, it's simply one of the best rhythm pickup. But personally, I'm not impressed with its high/treble sounds for solos. It just lacks of character, compared with Evo2 or Breed; and also it doesn't clean up well with volume rolled down.
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