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post #1 of 10 (permalink) Old 02-15-2005, 09:24 PM Thread Starter
 
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Question about RG570 wiring.

Well, first off let me say that this is my first post, so if there's anything I should know, feel free to tell me.

Now here's what I'd like to know. I've got what I believe to be an RG570, circa 1992, with the V7 and V8 humbuckers and an S1 single coil in the middle. I like the way the pickups sound, but there are a couple of modifications I'd like to do. And, I'm not sure how exactlly the wiring works, so that's why I came here. Sorry if this topic has already been covered, I tried searching but a lot of stuff came through, and it would have been a lot of trouble to weed through all of the topics.

First off: I want to install push-pull pots for coil taps. Which wire is used for the tap, and how would I configure that into the existing wiring? Also, why exactly is a logarithmic pot used for the tone (shouldn't they both be audio?), and where can I find a push-pull replacement? I already have some 500k audio push-pulls from stew-mac but no logarithmic ones.

Second: As I said before, I love the overall tone of the pickups, but I think the humbuckers sound way to dark. There are hardly any highs/trebles, especially when played through my Hot Rod Deluxe. Is this because of the caps used? If so, what value should I change them to? If not, what else can I do to liven up the signal a bit?

I've done wiring for strats and humbuckers before, so I've got a pretty good knowledge of soldering and interpreting diagrams. I've just never worked with a humbucker and single coil in tandem, using a 5-way switch. Any help you guys can give regarding the two subjects mentioned above would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
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Re: Question about RG570 wiring.

Bump. Nobody knows? Or does nobody care?
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Re: Question about RG570 wiring.

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Well, first off let me say that this is my first post, so if there's anything I should know, feel free to tell me.

Now here's what I'd like to know. I've got what I believe to be an RG570, circa 1992, with the V7 and V8 humbuckers and an S1 single coil in the middle. I like the way the pickups sound, but there are a couple of modifications I'd like to do. And, I'm not sure how exactlly the wiring works, so that's why I came here. Sorry if this topic has already been covered, I tried searching but a lot of stuff came through, and it would have been a lot of trouble to weed through all of the topics.

First off: I want to install push-pull pots for coil taps. Which wire is used for the tap, and how would I configure that into the existing wiring? Also, why exactly is a logarithmic pot used for the tone (shouldn't they both be audio?), and where can I find a push-pull replacement? I already have some 500k audio push-pulls from stew-mac but no logarithmic ones.

Second: As I said before, I love the overall tone of the pickups, but I think the humbuckers sound way to dark. There are hardly any highs/trebles, especially when played through my Hot Rod Deluxe. Is this because of the caps used? If so, what value should I change them to? If not, what else can I do to liven up the signal a bit?

I've done wiring for strats and humbuckers before, so I've got a pretty good knowledge of soldering and interpreting diagrams. I've just never worked with a humbucker and single coil in tandem, using a 5-way switch. Any help you guys can give regarding the two subjects mentioned above would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
I don't want you to think that nobody cares. I'll tell you what I can. First, you can use an audio taper pot for tone. it really doesn't matter. As far as your wires are concerned, I believe the white wire is used to split. You'd have to check the Ibanez wiring drawings. Since your pups are only a 3 wire, I'm not exactly sure if this will work... but if you look at a schematic from http://www.dimarzio.com/Text/Install/4Conductor.pdf and use the coil split wire where they say to connect black/white wires.

I hope this helps...
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Re: Question about RG570 wiring.

Uh, well, thanks. That helps a bit, I guess I'll try to figure it out later. I think the dark tone of those pickups is just how they sound, so I'm not too worried any more. Anyways, thanks again.
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Re: Question about RG570 wiring.

Never did this with V-pickups, so better someone back me up on this, but:
The white wires of the humbuckers should be the ones used for the coil tap.
If you want to have no changes when the switch is disengaged (assuming you still have the stock 5-way wiring in it), you will have to solder an additional wire from where those white wires are connected to the switch to the connectors of your new push-pull switch. For more information, the diagrams at http://www.jemsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34007 should give you a good advise.
When you're finished, that should give you the neck coil of the bridge pickup in position #1, and the bridge coil of the neck pickup in position #5.
If you want to have the bridge side of the bridge humbucker and the neck side of the neck humbucker, it's gonna get a bit more complicated.

Differences with logarithmic and linear pots are only noticable when your using the 'middle' positions of the pots; Using a linear pot for tone will result in a 'tone on - tone off' situation - which doesn't matter if you're just using those 2 positions anyway. But a forum search on that topic will suit you better than my knowledge (or lack thereof)
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Re: Question about RG570 wiring.

That's what I get for working 10 minutes on a single answer!
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Re: Question about RG570 wiring.

Thanks. That clears things up a bit.

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If you want to have the bridge side of the bridge humbucker and the neck side of the neck humbucker, it's gonna get a bit more complicated.
Good thing I don't, because surely that would require a lot of work? I mean, if it's only got 3 leads... I'd have to disassemble the pickups and make another one, and I'm not looking forward to that. Besides, how much of a difference in tone could it make, anyway?
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Re: Question about RG570 wiring.

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Thanks. That clears things up a bit.



Good thing I don't, because surely that would require a lot of work? I mean, if it's only got 3 leads... I'd have to disassemble the pickups and make another one, and I'm not looking forward to that. Besides, how much of a difference in tone could it make, anyway?
Or you could simply do what I do for people that want that configuration . . .

turn the pickup around.

It's that simple . . . of course with the V pups you'll have the label on the wrong side, but it's how it sounds that matters, no?

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Re: Question about RG570 wiring.

Hmm.. with humbuckers that have coils with different specs (evos, for example) , simply turning them around will result in a difference in sound, even in full humbucking mode. Don't know if thats the case with Vs.
But, yeah, turning around works in most cases.

The way that I was talking about was to use the white wire as hot when the pot is pulled. But then you'll also have to take care of the ground in positions 2 and 4, else the switch will act like a kill switch in those positions (direct hot-ground connection).
This is possible with a single dpdt switch and has been discussed a long time ago in a topic I started.. I'll see if I can find it.
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Re: Question about RG570 wiring.

There you go! It's getting interesting somewhere in the middle.

http://www.jemsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29209
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