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post #31 of 60 (permalink) Old 02-11-2011, 04:18 PM
 
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Re: Tonezone tweaks...

Apparently the EVH pickup is a Tone Zone with the half air mod. Many have discussed on the Internet how it seems practically the same once the half air is done. Apparently the Tone Zone, and what is in the EBMM EVH guitars were the two final options for EVH to choose from. He chose the EVH pickup, and the DiMarzio guys liked the other so much they released it as the Tone Zone.

I half aired a Tone Zone yesterday, and plan to install and record it this weekend. You'll be able to hear the differences then. I'm also going to try and find one of the EBMM pickups to compare it against too.
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post #32 of 60 (permalink) Old 02-11-2011, 05:17 PM
 
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Re: Tonezone tweaks...

Yeah, I've heard this theory before.. I guess I'd have to hear the modded TZ in an EBMM EVH in order to judge how much alike they are.
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Apparently the EVH pickup is a Tone Zone with the half air mod. Many have discussed on the Internet how it seems practically the same once the half air is done. Apparently the Tone Zone, and what is in the EBMM EVH guitars were the two final options for EVH to choose from. He chose the EVH pickup, and the DiMarzio guys liked the other so much they released it as the Tone Zone.

I half aired a Tone Zone yesterday, and plan to install and record it this weekend. You'll be able to hear the differences then. I'm also going to try and find one of the EBMM pickups to compare it against too.
Are you going to put it in the bridge or neck?

As I said, It really sound much better than my Les Paul Bridge. It is a very good mod. I am just curious how it sound in the neck.

Are you specialize in just TZ or will you be experimenting with different pickup?
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post #34 of 60 (permalink) Old 02-11-2011, 09:26 PM
 
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Re: Tonezone tweaks...

Definitely the bridge position.

I wouldn't say I'm a specialist in anything in particular. Just working on stuff with what I have available. I've changed magnets and performed the half air on a Mighty Mite Motherbucker bridge pickup. Stock it's a monster with high output (much higher than TZ), and tons of bass. With a ceramic magnet and half air mod it sounds amazing. Still very much a high out put pickup, but beautiful tone. It's turned my cheap crappy Saga PRS/LP style guitar into one of my favorite sounding guitars.

I've also tried a couple of different ceramic magnets in a PAF Pro to try and boost the output to the levels I wanted. A regular sized ceramic boosted a little, and added a little more brightness, but not enough for my liking. I got a much bigger one and tried it. It got the output far closer to where I wanted it, but it was far too bright.

As well as the TZ I've got a IBZ/USA F2 to test some things right now, to compare it to the TZ.

I'd love to try some things with other pickups, like the V series Ibanez pickups, trying to find bang for buck tonal upgrades, but I'm just a bit too broke at the moment to get the pickups I need to test these things with.
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Re: Tonezone tweaks...

I actually stack magnets in the early 80s. At the time, Dimarzio was just barely around. GC sell ceramic magnet, I took the two alnico out of my LP and put it in. In turn I stack the two alnico into the other Gibson HB. It worked. I sold that guitar long long time ago, so no way to compare anymore.

I really don't understand how magnet make a difference on the tone, I thought magnet is a magnet!! How does magnet make a difference?
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post #36 of 60 (permalink) Old 02-11-2011, 10:32 PM
 
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Different types of magnets have stronger magnetic fields from what I understand. This affects output, and brightness. Like I mentioned with my PAF Pro experiments, the ceramic magnet increased output and brightened the tone over the stock alnico 5 magnet. If I were to try an Alnico 2 magnet for example output would drop from stock, and probably also warm the tone up more.
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post #37 of 60 (permalink) Old 02-24-2011, 12:33 AM
 
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Re: Tonezone tweaks...

Hey guys

I've been a TZ tweaker myself and have tried them all[full-air,half-air,pickup/pole height, cap-mod]. So, I bought a used TZ for cheap and decided to try a coil swap. I took my 2 TZs, disassembeled them[kinda of messy from all the wax], and put the 2 screw coils together. I put it in my PRS Custom and it sounds great!!! The mudiness is gonna, bass is nice and tight, output lowered, highs are clearer, its got a nice punch/twang to it.
The half-air felt the best before this, but it still had this compression i didnt like. It must have been due to the dual resonance. Apparantly the slug coil is overwound with 44 gauge. Though the DC resistance is 17k[optimal range for 44 gauge wire] the output seems closer to a low-mid output humbucker.
This is the EBMM EVH/Axis pickup imo! Except for one coil having screws instead of slugs. Doesnt matter since my hand is covering the pup while im playing. Anway i'm gonna try and find some used Air Nortons and try the same thing!
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Cool. I've been pretty stoked with a ceramic magnet in the TZ.
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Cool. I've been pretty stoked with a ceramic magnet in the TZ.
Interesting. With my balanced coil modded TZ i'm thinkin of trying an A2.
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Re: Tonezone tweaks...

Ok! So I did some more research and found the balanced coil TZ has similar specs to the JB, so I borrowed my friends JB and installed it. Totally different sound. Why?
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Ok! So I did some more research and found the balanced coil TZ has similar specs to the JB, so I borrowed my friends JB and installed it. Totally different sound. Why?
well the dimarzio uses different wire than the duncan . dont let resistance fool you. just because you have two 16K pu's with alnico 5 mags that does not mean they will sound alike.The JB is a unique sounding pu. there is a gibson made pu called a 84T that was made for the kramer 1984 reissue guitar that has the exact specs of a JB and it still does not have the JB sound.
Yes the evh dimarzio is two screw tone zone coils only the production model on the ebmm's have slugs instead of screws on the coil closer to the neck. these TZ screw coils should be at about 8.5K. so yes if you make a pu with two TZ screw coils you will have a EVH dimarzio like in the axis or his old sig EBMM since you wind up with two coils with screws to mimic the evh dimarzio it is best to lower the screws flush on the coil that is closer to the neck and raise the screws on the bridge side coil. this is about 99.8% the exact tone of the EVH dimarzio then.
for his neck pup you need two screw coils from a air norton(7.6K each) make sure the pu still is aired like the evh neck one is.
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Re: Tonezone tweaks...

anybody xplain half air and air? :-) nike
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anybody xplain half air and air? :-) nike

http://www.jemsite.com/forums/f35/to...light=half-air

This talk a lot about half air mod. Go to LonePhantom site and read more. I have some drawings following LonePhantom's instruction.
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Re: Tonezone tweaks...

Half-air is the magnet touching one coil (contact with slugs or pole pieces), and space on the other coil. Full air is when the magnet does not make direct contact with either coil.
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Re: Tonezone tweaks...

have followed all conversations on this thread and LonePhantom's blog. Nice stuff.

i'm a PAF Pro and Blaze II kind of guy.
have used Evos on basswood and hate it.
then i did a brazilian mahogany 7 string body and put EVO7 in it.
WOW i just love the EVO7 on mahogany!

Now, i'm going for a new project:
Just bought ToneZone7 and Air Norton7 in zebra colors.


Question is
as you can see on the pix, this is how it looks like:


The wiring on the AirNorton7 comes from the black coil that has screws:


So, is it a AirNorton7 for bridge position or am i missing something here?
Any help is highly appreciated! Thanx
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