New Ibanez trems 2004 - new Edge and ZeroResistance - Page 2 - Jemsite
Jemsite Featured News Featured news & threads that appear on the frontpage of jemsite.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #16 of 240 (permalink) Old 12-01-2002, 03:38 PM
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Canada
Posts: 4,215
If the new Edge clamps the strings in the same way as other double-locking Floyd-type bridges, you probably have the option of cutting the ball ends off or not.

Now that i think of it, both bridges do seem to borrow a lot of ideas from the old Yamaha bridges (thanks for the reminder, Jester).

What would be really cool is if Ibanez put an integrated string retainer on the back of the nut like Kahler did, and made the nut height-adjustable like Yamaha did.
darren wilson is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #17 of 240 (permalink) Old 12-01-2002, 03:49 PM
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: London, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 4,989
If the new Edge works as well as, or better than the old one with easier re-stringing, it'll be a hit. It's like a more practical Speedloader IMHO.
Two hands31 is offline  
post #18 of 240 (permalink) Old 12-01-2002, 05:17 PM
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: St. Augustine Beach, Fl
Posts: 554
Now, will it retrofit an older Edge routing? I wouldn't put it past Ibanez to change the baseplate just enough..... I know, sorry but I'm a cynical [email protected][email protected]

Actually, now that I've studied the cutaway a bit more, it looks like you *could* indeed be able to just lock it down even if you broke a string. The saddle block locking bolt is still there so why not? Wow, I think this is going to be one sweet trem.
jeff l is offline  
post #19 of 240 (permalink) Old 12-01-2002, 07:21 PM
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: DFW, Texas
Posts: 1,568
Quote:
Originally Posted by jono
If it aint broke don't fix it
I get the same feeling. More parts and features is not always a good thing...I guess in time we shall see.
Greg
gkelm is offline  
post #20 of 240 (permalink) Old 12-01-2002, 07:34 PM
Vendor
 
Rich's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: South Jersey
Posts: 25,478
Floyds patent is up, anybody can do as they wish without licensing fees. I was told they weren't going to develop anything yet, obviously disinformation

They don't inovate and everybody says "They're supposed to be the innovation company and they never change!", and if they do change we hear "If it aint broke....".

So decide, you want to be stuck in the present, or get a glimpse at the future?

Rich is offline  
post #21 of 240 (permalink) Old 12-01-2002, 08:17 PM
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Ontario
Posts: 599
My edge works just fine, and I'm sticking with it...
Reaper is offline  
post #22 of 240 (permalink) Old 12-01-2002, 08:18 PM
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Leeds, UK - San Antonio, TX
Posts: 351
ha tis weird...

nobody would believe me..but as a wide eyed 15 yr old, i had the idea to create a trem that worked on the basis of pivoting on a bearing/spherical system rather than a knife edge...

was never good at metal work class though

track7

cant wait to see these things in action!
track7 is offline  
post #23 of 240 (permalink) Old 12-02-2002, 02:47 AM
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Italia
Posts: 4,725
Quote:
Originally Posted by jono
If it aint broke don't fix it...
right Jono,
we're so happy with the Edge. why to get not one, but two new trems? i guess that's just a commercial thing, since the world does have already the better trem ever built, since '86.
i just hope this will cut down the older Edges' price.
nuno is offline  
post #24 of 240 (permalink) Old 12-02-2002, 02:58 AM
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: England
Posts: 6,941
Reviews: 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich
They don't inovate and everybody says "They're supposed to be the innovation company and they never change!", and if they do change we hear "If it aint broke....".

So decide, you want to be stuck in the present, or get a glimpse at the future?

Well I think I'd rather be stuck in the present. Guitarist magazine runs a "where are they now?" column for gadgets and gear that seemed great in theory but never took off. There's an old saying amoungst british engineers, that if it looks right then it probably is right. The Edge trem looks right, to me, this one doesn't

I also find it interesting that the rout for the trem seems very "TRS" shaped with the smoothly sloping corners at the rear of the base plate near where tha arm slots in. and the pickups seem to bare strong resemblance to the powersound type affairs with 2 rows of slug coils.

I can see the Jackson custom shop looking more and more tempting, or maybe I should go test drive another Anderson... If only they came with 24 frets
jono is offline  
post #25 of 240 (permalink) Old 12-02-2002, 05:47 AM
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: London/Nottingham, UK
Posts: 681
Hmm..I'd wager the zerorocker might be a trem that doesn't compensate by making the other strings go sharp when you bend a string, and maybe keeps the strings in tune relative to each other when you dive
It looks slightly wilkinson inspired.

Hmm..This speedloader edge, mite be a sucess, but im happy with the edge. I do remember reading something about a big rumour in hoshino that the new edge is going to be amazing, so we must wait and see...
Globbits is offline  
post #26 of 240 (permalink) Old 12-02-2002, 09:05 AM
deleted username
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Posts: 1,429
Quote:
Originally Posted by darren wilson
...and made the nut height-adjustable like Yamaha did.
Preach on, brother! I loved that nut. PERFECT action, every time. No guessing, no shims...just dial it right in.

I'm going with the "I'll decide after I've played one good and hard" test. Decision will be based on how well it passes my own personal 'feel test'.

Also, retrofitting is muy importante. I would hope that the Edge-Ver.3.0 would drop in. Then again, Floyd's Speedloader does NOT drop right into OFR/TRS guitars. The Speedloader system is kinda cool- if you like one tuning, and have the need to change strings quickly...regularly.

Do any of these bad boys 'lock down', i.e. become a hardtail (like the Parkers)? If not, then I've got a little invention comin' out that you'll all enjoy. Details soon! :-)
Kevan is offline  
post #27 of 240 (permalink) Old 12-02-2002, 09:40 AM
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Canada
Posts: 4,215
Quote:
Originally Posted by Globbits
Hmm..I'd wager the zerorocker might be a trem that doesn't compensate by making the other strings go sharp when you bend a string, and maybe keeps the strings in tune relative to each other when you dive
It looks slightly wilkinson inspired.
I think that's nothing more than pure speculation... there's no evidence of either of these features from the one photo we've seen of it. What about it seems Wilkinson-inspired?

It does look like it's intended for lower-end guitars, judging by the pickup that's right next to it. What's the biggest complaint about the TRS? The shoddy metal and lack of hardened knife edges. Replace the knife edges with decent bearings, and you'll have a much smoother, much more stable trem that's easier to install at the factory and has less chance of an inexperienced user wrecking the knife edges by adjusting bridge height while under tension.

It does strike me as odd, though, if Ibanez is planning on replacing the TRS with a mechanically more complex design.

One thing that's interesting with the new Edge is the hardened metal inserts on the saddles. I noticed the EB/MM JPM bridge had hardened inserts, whether it was piezo-equipped or not. This makes things a LOT simpler, because they can use the same parts for piezo and non-piezo bridges. All they'd need to do is swap out the little inserts with piezo-loaded elements, wire it up and it's good to go. (Notice the vertical channel right under the saddle insert in the cutaway photo?) This may also open up the possibility of third-party piezo inserts for new Edge guitars.
darren wilson is offline  
post #28 of 240 (permalink) Old 12-02-2002, 09:57 AM
site founder 0% owner
 
jemsite's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: NJ - USA
Posts: 11,475
Reviews: 1
This is a quite surprising, but i guess with the new FR system, Ibanez (and others) would make changes eventually. My initial reaction is that this is "fixing what is not broken"... there are alot of other changes ibanez could be concentrating their efforts on.... i'd much prefer improving things that Ibanez is WEAK at, instead of improving things that already work to perfection.

But i'll reserve final judgement upon seeing one operate first hand.
jemsite is offline  
post #29 of 240 (permalink) Old 12-02-2002, 10:14 AM
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Italia
Posts: 4,725
right Glen,
this just doesnt seem to be an improvement (if could Edge be improved).
i'm not one of those described by Rich, quite the contrary. when the FX Edge came out i was like "Wow! That's cool!" ... but this seems to be kinda useless, unless it has some real improvements that Max (Caprile)'s dealers didnt reveal.

also... WHY THE H*LL didnt Ibanez advised 'us' on this before!?! we should be the first to know!
nuno is offline  
post #30 of 240 (permalink) Old 12-02-2002, 10:19 AM
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Canada
Posts: 4,215
I'd still like to see Ibanez bring back the Edge2. A locking bridge combined with locking tuners is a great combo.
darren wilson is offline  
Reply

Tags
allen wrench , allen wrenches , arm holder , base plate , basswood guitar , basswood guitars , bridge pickup , bridge position , custom shop , darren wilson , dimarzio evo , dimarzio pickup , dimarzio pickups , edge bridge , edge pro trem , edge pros , edge trem , edge trems , electric guitar , equipped guitar , eric johnson , fixed bridge , floyd rose , floyd rose trem , fretboard radius , hoshino usa , ibanez catalog , ibanez dealer , ibanez edge pro , ibanez guitars , ibanez models , ibanez trem , ibanez tremolo , intonation tool , jackson custom shop , joe satriani , korean guitar , locking bridge , locking nut , locking nuts , locking stud , locking studs , locking trems , locking tuners , music store , neck shim , nut height , pickup cavity , piezo bridge , powersound pickups , prestige necks , pro edge , retainer bar , signature guitar , steve vai , trem arm , trem arms , trem setter , tremolo system , trs trems , wound strings , zero resistance trem

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Jemsite forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address

IMPORTANT: You will be required to activate your account so please ensure that your email address is correct.

If you do not receive your activation check your spam folder before using the CONTACT US form (at the bottom right of each page).



Email Address:
OR

Log-in











Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Ibanez Edge Trems, toooo many??? sebastian All Other Guitars (including Prestige) 12 08-18-2011 03:15 PM
FS: Two Mint Ibanez Edge Pro trems in Cosmo For_The_Love_Of_Jems Classified Ads: Guitars and Gear 12 05-05-2009 12:28 PM
Easier: Edge Trems or ZR Trems Thrash Tech: Setup, Repairs and Mods 3 04-05-2009 05:05 PM
OFR vs. Ibanez Trems (Edge, Lo-pro, Edge Pro) guitarman13 Tech: Setup, Repairs and Mods 12 01-07-2007 11:58 AM
what non-Ibanez guitars have you put Edge trems on? MetalWarrior All Other Guitars (including Prestige) 18 07-02-2005 03:39 AM

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome