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08-01-2013 02:32 AM
63Blazer
Re: NGD 1987 540R Blue Burst

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Originally Posted by Takin' a Ride View Post
I've never really understood the attraction to vintage/player instruments. If the guitar is no longer a good player and fixing it would ruin the value, then what good is it? I guess if you were simply buying it to collect or as an investment, that would be OK.
In the upper end, it's about investing in a rare item. Just like a case of original Coke would be rancid to drink, people are willing to pay handsomely for it because it's increasingly rarer. A vintage airplane may be hopeless to every fly again, and never be safe even if made airborne, but if it's rare there are plenty of people willing to bid on it.

There are plenty of new guitars and slightly used guitars available for those who want excellent playing instruments and there's that market. A vintage collector like I used to be looks for specifics that make a guitar rare, and don't need the fastest frets, loudest pickups, or shiniest flawless finish. In the collector's world, fading and/or finish cracking is a good thing and helps identify the guitar as being old and not likely a new fake. After looking at many vintage guitars, most collectors will be able to easily spot a real worn piece of gear versus a merely relic'd one from a custom shop. The collector in me salivates over a 70s three bolt tilt neck with awful frets and overly heavy body and prefer it over a brand new, fat fretted, Fender Custom Shop guitar that plays perfectly that is as light as a feather made from the most exotic wood available. The new guitar will play better than anything in that design but the 70s Fender represents a small window of certain design flaws in Fender's history, albeit a once disparaged one when Leo sold Fender to CBS. Today, it's seen with a certain amount of sentimentality and the bad designs like three bolt neck and bad fret work are quaint.
08-01-2013 02:11 AM
Takin' a Ride
Re: NGD 1987 540R Blue Burst

I've never really understood the attraction to vintage/player instruments. If the guitar is no longer a good player and fixing it would ruin the value, then what good is it? I guess if you were simply buying it to collect or as an investment, that would be OK.

The thing I like about collectible Ibanez guitars is that most are not really true players. My GMC has been played and I do play it, but not enough where it would ever be a worn out guitar. I've seen comments on here from people who are used to really old guitars and they always find it odd that Ibanez collectors only want mint condition stuff.
08-01-2013 12:02 AM
63Blazer
Re: NGD 1987 540R Blue Burst

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Originally Posted by GUITARMAGEDDON View Post
oh, didn't you do a thread on this place when it 1st opened?? just some crazy vintage stuff?
The thing about girls' shoes got me going. The vintage/expensive shoe joint is right next to (or used to be recently) the used guitar store. Crazy vintage stuff is good for both playing and investing but really much more for latter.

A new Ibby of almost any model seriously plays better than these 40s, 50s, and 60s guitars which have usually seen their best days years ago. Just like there's a point where your used comfortable jeans become too tattered, vintage guitars go south, too. Given enough time neck will become unplayable (like Clapton's Blackie with frets jutting beyond edges) and all metals parts will be corroded beyond use. My '68 Telecaster had neck bolts barely held together by rust. I didn't dare replace them and just sold the guitar. The poor case was held together by the inner cloth lining and unfortunately the frets flattened out and owner before me had to refret and thus damage value.

Had I acquired that '68 tele with flattened out frets, I would retain maximum value of investment, raise action, and use it as my go to slide guitar. The darn thing with true vintage stuff is that you can't do anything other than change strings without pissing off most potential buyers. Some collectors won't touch instrument if it doesn't have case, tags, and original receipt. To this day I even save tags and receipts for cheap instruments because given enough time, you just never know.
07-31-2013 06:25 PM
GUITARMAGEDDON
Re: NGD 1987 540R Blue Burst

oh, didn't you do a thread on this place when it 1st opened?? just some crazy vintage stuff?
07-31-2013 04:07 PM
63Blazer
Re: NGD 1987 540R Blue Burst

Where I live this used clothing store with really expensive shoes used to be next to this little used guitar store. Kind of convenient if you ask me and one stop shopping for wife and her man.

http://ritzyragz.com/store/

http://www.rumbleseatmusiccbs.com/

But the used clothing store moved back to its old location just up on the same street where it used to be across from this other used guitar store.

http://www.carmelmusic.com/stocklist/index.html

I did a new guitar day a couple of times from this one and hope one day to get to the current used music store. The only problem with the price of some of these guitars is that they literally cost more than the biggest jemsite guitar collections (and the houses they are in). They even have a million dollar guitar which is a nearly mint Korina that Eric Clapton once owned. Below that is Dickey Bett's one of kind Alembic guitar custom made for him. They do have one really nice vintage Ibanez I have been eying which is a lot more affordable.
07-31-2013 03:55 PM
GUITARMAGEDDON
Re: NGD 1987 540R Blue Burst

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Originally Posted by ashbass View Post
And she has 90 pairs of shoes? Does she have a separate Shoe room to put them in?
some in storage, some strewn about the house.. much like my guitars
We are in a band together so if anything she can say she needs new shoes or boots for a gig and I say I need an new guitar!! The later happens less often though
07-31-2013 03:38 PM
ashbass
Re: NGD 1987 540R Blue Burst

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10 pairs of shoes = 1 guitar. I have 9 guitars.
And she has 90 pairs of shoes? Does she have a separate Shoe room to put them in?
07-31-2013 03:35 PM
GUITARMAGEDDON
Re: NGD 1987 540R Blue Burst

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"My shoes don't cost $400 dollars a piece!" put an end to me using that line.

I do use, "I don't smoke, drink, or play golf. And I'm not into cars. So this little hobby isn't all that much after all."
10 pairs of shoes = 1 guitar. I have 9 guitars.
07-31-2013 03:28 PM
ashbass
Re: NGD 1987 540R Blue Burst

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I like to use the " guitar to shoe" ratio.
"My shoes don't cost $400 dollars a piece!" put an end to me using that line.

I do use, "I don't smoke, drink, or play golf. And I'm not into cars. So this little hobby isn't all that much after all."
07-31-2013 03:15 PM
GUITARMAGEDDON
Re: NGD 1987 540R Blue Burst

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Originally Posted by 63Blazer View Post
OMG, this is a trend. Heck, maybe I can get a secret concubine (or two) and eventually but seamlessly introduce her into my household.
Lets us know how that turns out!
07-31-2013 03:14 PM
GUITARMAGEDDON
Re: NGD 1987 540R Blue Burst

I like to use the " guitar to shoe" ratio.
07-31-2013 03:12 PM
Takin' a Ride
Re: NGD 1987 540R Blue Burst

LOL. She associates new guitars with what's going on with the finances right now, so she tends to overreact. If everthing is cool and then she notices a new guitar, she'll ask, "Have I seen this one before?" Then I'll tell her I traded some other stuff to get it.

This is only a minor stretch of the truth. I've stopped adding guitars and have decided that a few are expendable. So I buy a new guitar and then try to sell offsetting guitars after to cover the difference. In the end it's basically a wash, but she still doesn't like to see part at the beginning when the cash flow is negative.

Right now I think I'm $3500 in the black and have plans to sell one more that's worth a decent chunk. So I go the complete green light for Axe-Fx 2
07-31-2013 11:53 AM
63Blazer
Re: NGD 1987 540R Blue Burst

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Originally Posted by Takin' a Ride View Post
I still have one secret guitar. I'll eventually show it to her, but I'll make sure that a bunch of time has gone by so she can't associate it with anything. Honestly the guitar was more than paid for by selling other guitars, so it shouldn't be an issue.

I took a new approach on the last one I sold, which was an extremely expensive guitar. I told her that I was putting a portion of the proceeds toward something else. That seemed to work pretty well.
OMG, this is a trend. Heck, maybe I can get a secret concubine (or two) and eventually but seamlessly introduce her into my household.
07-31-2013 11:21 AM
63Blazer
Re: NGD 1987 540R Blue Burst

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Thanks guys. It's still a secret NGD though. It only comes out when my wife is at work. But when a vintage piece comes along you have to jump, you know? There's no telling when or if another of these would become available. I'm practicing that saying for when she finally sees it.

It's true though. It's been years since I've seen a complete Red Burst 540R for sale. And even longer since I've seen a Jewel Blue 540R HH.
LMAO! I used to to that with my ex-wife. She was a waitress where a lot of cash happy, lonely blue collar types would dine. They would buy a muffin and coffee and drop a five or ten for tip. They were older and loved to talk to a 20 year old girl. She would come home every day with so much cash she washed her jeans with wads of money still in the pockets. I used to have to go through laundry, press the bills, and then deposit into bank. Either way, she didn't notice or care because in her job, in the economy then, money grew on trees. Those were the times.

As for vintage gear, I didn't have to be into just one company. I could buy stuff, then not have to decide on features or colors but get them all. When I did bring in a new guitar, about once a month, she never really cared even when it was largely her money. It was just furniture. She had her addiction to clothes and as long as I took her to mall, I got to drive up and down California coast and snatch up guitars.

These days I am married, but to different and much more realistic lady, and I am more realistic, too. I got the GAS out of my system having bought 60 odd guitars and helping a buddy of mine acquire 40 odd instruments so I only have Artcore and another electric. All the great vintage stuff won't sound all that different or make you play any better so I am glad to have ditched those collecting days and my playing has actually improved since I can get used to the nuances of just a neck or two and spend all time and energy learning how to play all the stuff that was too difficult in the past.

Yes, I would love a Radius 540 but only if I lose the ESP first since I could never find the time to become one with three different electric guitars.
07-31-2013 11:05 AM
MatiasTolkki
Re: NGD 1987 540R Blue Burst

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Originally Posted by satchmo72 View Post
LOL a "secret" secret guitar thread.
I still have yet to tell my grandfather about my 2550 so I guess I have a secret guitar too lol
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