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06-20-2016 03:20 AM
Formerly Given To Fly
Re: No Custom orders again! Time to replace CEO

Nice interview! I actually changed my mind about most of things I said in that thread well before the interview. I do not think Ibanez should open the LACS to the public because then they would have to deal with the public, in this case guitarists , and sometimes no amount of money is worth that.
06-13-2016 06:08 PM
Stealthtastic
Re: No Custom orders again! Time to replace CEO

We asked Ibanez why they don't do CS in our interview with them here:
http://www.wiredguitarist.com/2016/0...nez-interview/
06-13-2016 04:23 PM
jim777
Re: No Custom orders again! Time to replace CEO

I think its as simple as too much work for too little profit.
06-06-2016 10:24 AM
GuitarAkuma
Re: No Custom orders again! Time to replace CEO

they could be concerned people will have guitars made with things they want to mass introduce, so want to ensure a "closed market" for innovation?
04-25-2016 04:18 PM
mike570
Re: No Custom orders again! Time to replace CEO

Fire the CEO?!?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKfceBq-j9Y

Seriously, I can see why they don't if they're doing just fine without one.
And AFAIK they don't really come down hard on third party custom shops. Why take on that risk and hassle if others can do it for less?
03-03-2016 12:38 PM
Drew
Re: No Custom orders again! Time to replace CEO

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Originally Posted by Formerly Given To Fly View Post
It seems like the Ibanez U.S.A Custom Series meets many of the criteria people are asking for. How successful was that particular line of guitars? Do you think it could be successful in now? Personal experience and insight into the matter would be more valuable than speculation from "arm chair CEO's. (I include myself in this group.)"
Not terribly, seeing as they were only in production for a couple years.
03-02-2016 01:02 AM
Formerly Given To Fly
Re: No Custom orders again! Time to replace CEO

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Originally Posted by jono View Post
Maybe hiring a sufficiently skilled luthier would be a problem? Most of the really talented guys seem to want to work for themselves and so getting top quality guys for top quality guitars might be a bigger problem than we realise. That might be why the limited runs are, at the moment, ghost built by Sugi.
Hire more ghosts?

To be honest, I'm not sure. What I do know is an independent luthier, no matter how talented, will never have access to the same level of resources as Ibanez. If Ibanez had to outsource custom guitars to independent luthiers, providing positive incentives that grow the luthiers business would be tempting. Money helps too.


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Originally Posted by GuitarAkuma View Post
How about what Jackson did and had an internet based design program where people could mix bodies/necks/fingerboard/pickups/bridges and order it then collect it from their local dealer?

Might be an interesting way of seeing what the public actually expect Ibanez to provide them?
1. Internet? Who needs the internet?........(Well, I suppose I do in order to show you the Ibanez catalog from 1991, courtesy of ibanezrules.com and Rich's easy to navigate library of catalogs.) http://www.ibanezrules.com/catalogs/us/1991/index.htm

2. The public expects Ibanez to provide them with something to complain about.

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What would also be REALLY cool is if Ibanez sold its bodies and necks online, the same way Fender does. You can part-together a new Fender from genuine, new Fender parts. Pretty cool.

Hell, I'm usually parting-together Ibby's anyway... a body from ebay... a neck from Craigslist... trem from Rich... etc. My #1 RG1527 was parted together this way. Would be cool if Ibanez sold their various body shapes in various woods, colors, etc. Same for necks.

In fact, that would totally kick ass (for someone like me, anyway).

As a side note, as I'm browsing other guitar manufacturers websites, it seems like MOST have some sort of custom shop, or semi-custom shop. So, if they're all able to make it work (financially & logistically), I'm still holding out hope that Ibanez will one day follow suit.
Maybe we should just ask for what Ibanez was doing 25 years ago....


It seems like the Ibanez U.S.A Custom Series meets many of the criteria people are asking for. How successful was that particular line of guitars? Do you think it could be successful in now? Personal experience and insight into the matter would be more valuable than speculation from "arm chair CEO's. (I include myself in this group.)"
03-01-2016 08:26 AM
webmaestro
Re: No Custom orders again! Time to replace CEO

What would also be REALLY cool is if Ibanez sold its bodies and necks online, the same way Fender does. You can part-together a new Fender from genuine, new Fender parts. Pretty cool.

Hell, I'm usually parting-together Ibby's anyway... a body from ebay... a neck from Craigslist... trem from Rich... etc. My #1 RG1527 was parted together this way. Would be cool if Ibanez sold their various body shapes in various woods, colors, etc. Same for necks.

In fact, that would totally kick ass (for someone like me, anyway).

As a side note, as I'm browsing other guitar manufacturers websites, it seems like MOST have some sort of custom shop, or semi-custom shop. So, if they're all able to make it work (financially & logistically), I'm still holding out hope that Ibanez will one day follow suit.
03-01-2016 03:54 AM
GuitarAkuma
Re: No Custom orders again! Time to replace CEO

How about what Jackson did and had an internet based design program where people could mix bodies/necks/fingerboard/pickups/bridges and order it then collect it from their local dealer?

Might be an interesting way of seeing what the public actually expect Ibanez to provide them?
03-01-2016 03:21 AM
jono
Re: No Custom orders again! Time to replace CEO

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Originally Posted by Formerly Given To Fly View Post
Demand would far outweigh supply and, like I said, these would not be affordable guitars. Hiring another luthier would not be a problem. I'm not sure if the customer should be allowed to choose the luthier who builds their guitar because that could cause problems. Ibanez could make custom guitar available to the high paying public, but they have decided not to for one reason or another. I'm just curious what that reason might be....I doubt the reason is "we can not afford one more luthier."
Maybe hiring a sufficiently skilled luthier would be a problem? Most of the really talented guys seem to want to work for themselves and so getting top quality guys for top quality guitars might be a bigger problem than we realise. That might be why the limited runs are, at the moment, ghost built by Sugi.
02-29-2016 02:01 PM
Formerly Given To Fly
Re: No Custom orders again! Time to replace CEO

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Originally Posted by Drew View Post
Well, again, I think a big part of it is staffing levels, and right now they don't employ enough luthiers to run a public custom shop.
Demand would far outweigh supply and, like I said, these would not be affordable guitars. Hiring another luthier would not be a problem. I'm not sure if the customer should be allowed to choose the luthier who builds their guitar because that could cause problems. Ibanez could make custom guitar available to the high paying public, but they have decided not to for one reason or another. I'm just curious what that reason might be....I doubt the reason is "we can not afford one more luthier."
02-29-2016 12:15 PM
Drew
Re: No Custom orders again! Time to replace CEO

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Originally Posted by Formerly Given To Fly View Post
Fair enough. Its hard to argue with a successful company on how they should run their business. At this point I can play Devils Advocate for opening the LACS and keeping it closed. Regardless, Ibanez has a specific reason for keeping it closed and, even though its none of business, I'm somewhat curious what that reason might be.
Well, again, I think a big part of it is staffing levels, and right now they don't employ enough luthiers to run a public custom shop.
02-28-2016 02:15 AM
Formerly Given To Fly
Re: No Custom orders again! Time to replace CEO

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Originally Posted by jono View Post
I'd love a one off order, but guys, you have to realise and respect the fact that Ibanez and Hoshino have a business model that is working for them. If it wasn't, they'd change it and probably the company officers along with it.
Fair enough. Its hard to argue with a successful company on how they should run their business. At this point I can play Devils Advocate for opening the LACS and keeping it closed. Regardless, Ibanez has a specific reason for keeping it closed and, even though its none of business, I'm somewhat curious what that reason might be.
02-27-2016 08:43 AM
GrantaJem
Re: No Custom orders again! Time to replace CEO

I do not see how Ibanez would lose money by letting people pay extremely high prices for guitars they build every day for endorsed artists. I understand endorsed artists indirectly generate revenue for Ibanez, but some direct revenue generation from unendorsed artists isn't a bad thing either.
exactly how I feel.
At the end of the day after playing my Ibanez guitars, it is still not my custom guitar. if ESP can do it, why can't Ibanez? I know Lipe and Thorn have their own line of guitars, but with their past and future relationship with Ibanez,I thought it would be a good time to offer USA custom and choose your builder between Tak, Lipe or Thorn, like Fender does with choose your master builder.
Thanks Jemsters for all your comments.
02-27-2016 04:28 AM
jono
Re: No Custom orders again! Time to replace CEO

I'd love a one off order, but guys, you have to realise and respect the fact that Ibanez and Hoshino have a business model that is working for them. If it wasn't, they'd change it and probably the company officers along with it.
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